Achieving the goal of turning intelligent people off of politics.

These people and those who lead them around by the nose really should be ashamed.

Edited by Slartibartfast - September 08 2009 at 17:29

I'm not a Communist, but that song almost converted me.  

akamaisondufromage wrote: Syzygy wrote: A Person wrote: I don't see the connection between Obama and Hitler. Also, even though the lyrics of the music on this site aren't representative of the people who use this site, I think it's kind of funny that a few of the bands on this site are communist or promote it. The lyrics on Henry Cow's In Praise of Learning are a good example, although it is interesting to see how they apply to the world today: Living in the Heart of the Beast wrote: Now is the time to begin to go forward - advance from despair, the darkness of solitary men - who are chained in a market they cannot control - in the name of a freedom that hangs like a pall on our cities. And their towers of silence we shall destroy. Now is the time to begin to determine directions, refuse to admit the existence of destiny's rule. We shall seize from all heroes and merchants our labour, our lives, and our practice of history : this, our choice, defines the truth of all that we do. Seize on the words that oppose us with alien force; they're enslaved by the power of capital's kings who reduce them to coinage and hollow exchange in the struggle to hold us, they're bitterly outlasting… Time to sweep them down from power - deeds renew words. Dare to take sides in the fight for freedom that is common cause let us all be as strong and as resolute. We're in the midst of a universe turning in turmoil; of classes and armies of thought making war - their contradictions clash and echo through time. I've always found that particular Henry Cow song extremely inspiring and uplifting, so the lyrics are representative of at least one person on here although I'm a socialist, not a communist. Given the number of Ayn Rand acolytes round here, though, I'm guessing that I'm in a pretty small minority.    Why?  Why would you think this funny that bands are 'communist' especially on a prog site ?  I am sure that many of the bands have or had communist leanings.  Some have anarchist leanings.  (Stand up Daevid Allen).  Do you mean funny amusing?  How do you speak for the rest of us?  I think it more strange that people still believe in the market.

Good point - most sane people on the left have accepted that communism/state socialism on the Soviet or Chinese model doesn't work that well in practice, but free marketeers still run around shouting things like 'You can't interfere with the market!', 'Markets work!' and similar quasi libertarian mantras as though they're unarguable, self evident truths. Face it, the 'invisible hand' is invisible because it doesn't exist, unregulated markets simply don't work and the trickle down effect is slightly less plausible than the content of Pravda in the Stalin era.  

Edited by Slartibartfast - October 09 2009 at 07:49

This does not bode well:

Democrats Ponder HC Suicide
  by Robert Parry

 Link

 Excerpt:
If Democrats enact something like the health-care bill emerging from the Senate Finance Committee, they may call it
a legislative victory and it may keep the campaign donations flowing from the insurance industry, but the Democrats
would surely infuriate millions of American voters.

It seems like some Democrats, such as Baucus and Conrad, have lost themselves so much in the inside-Washington reeds
of legislating a convoluted compromise acceptable to the insurers, that they are inviting an angry backlash from average Americans.

The danger for Democrats is that this industry-friendly legislation would impose new burdens on citizens, including government
fines for failing to sign up for a health-insurance plan, without guarantees that the coverage won’t be almost as crappy and
expensive as it is now. The bill rejects a public option that would put competitive pressure on private insurers.

Plus, key elements of the bill, like the so-called shopping "exchanges," aren’t to take effect until 2013, meaning that
Americans will have watched this messy process unfold for months and then be told that the current system, which has
cruelly pushed millions of sick people into bankruptcy, will get four more years to bankrupt more Americans.

Are these pinheads deliberately working to become a minority party again and lose the presidency in the next round?  If you're a Republican, you might consider this to be a good thing.  Sheesh!

You can't have a mandate to buy health insurance without a functional public option that people who can't afford private insurance can get into at an affordable rate or free if you meet an income qualification.



Edited by Slartibartfast - October 09 2009 at 08:02