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TheSubhuman 
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 Posted: August 23 2009 at 11:00 |
 progkidjoel wrote:
Well, I don't like The Mars Volta, and it mainly stems from the fact that I feel like they are an alternative/hard rock band, not a prog band... |
I know you're entitled to your opinion, but I really can't get around the idea of disliking a band because they're not prog. TMV may not be to everyone's taste, but this is the first time I've heard someone doesn't like them because they are 'alternative-hard rock'. Anyway, for once I'd like someone to actually DESCRIBE what the difference between those two 'genres' is... Probably I'm stupid, but I can't for the life of me understand why PT are prog and TMV are not - in my very humble opinion, it is the opposite, but then, what do I know?
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Dean
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 11:12 |
Wot? No Cowherd and Calabria?
Ho-him, Radiodead for me then.
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What?
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someone_else
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 15:22 |
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Have to hear more of the Decemberists. They may be as interesting as Porcupine Tree.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 20:15 |
progkidjoel wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
Mars Volta, mainly because I can't stand them... And they're more Alt-rock than prog IMO. |
Er, uh, oops...this was a popularity contest, not a "who's most alternative." Hell, I wouldn't even know how to define that. I don't know what alternative sounds like. NO ONE knows what alternative sounds like. We just know what it doesn't sound like, and dump everyone who's left into the great, empty vaccuum of "alt," hoping that they find their respective ways home someday.
Honestly, do Radiohead and The Decemberists sound anything alike? |
Well, I don't like The Mars Volta, and it mainly stems from the fact that I feel like they are an alternative/hard rock band, not a prog band... |
This is some of the most stupid reasoning I have ever heard/read.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 20:17 |
The Whistler wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
but surely I-would-rather-visit-my-grandparents-than-listen-to-most-Mars-Volta-songs terrible. |
wow, that's bad
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It ain't good, the crazy b*****ds.I always said the reason they got better as they went on is because they started SO LOW, it couldn't be helped. Still, I haven't heard the latest one yet. Maybe I'd actually find something to like. |
I'll excuse your unfortunate stance on this matter simply because you put Deerhoof in this poll. They are quite a cool band, and not widely known or mentioned around here.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 20:41 |
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Despite the mars volta being an alt/hard rock group I some how still voted for them as the best on the list.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 20:44 |
progkidjoel wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
Mars Volta, mainly because I can't stand them... And they're more Alt-rock than prog IMO. |
Er, uh, oops...this was a popularity contest, not a "who's most alternative." Hell, I wouldn't even know how to define that. I don't know what alternative sounds like. NO ONE knows what alternative sounds like. We just know what it doesn't sound like, and dump everyone who's left into the great, empty vaccuum of "alt," hoping that they find their respective ways home someday.
Honestly, do Radiohead and The Decemberists sound anything alike? |
Well, I don't like The Mars Volta, and it mainly stems from the fact that I feel like they are an alternative/hard rock band, not a prog band... |
And Porcupine Tree are? The nuances of these things are fascinating.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 10:20 |
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^Aren't they?
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 13:16 |
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I would disagree in a large part, but my question was how one could see PT is prog while TMV is not, when modern PT is far more poppy and alt-rock than TMV.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Logan
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 13:25 |
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The Mars Volta also strikes me as more Prog than modern Porcupine Tree.
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SilverEclipse
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 14:25 |
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other.... Coheed
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"and if the band your in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on the dark side of the moon"
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Todd
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 14:50 |
I actually enjoy visiting my grandparents . . . 
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King Crimson776
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 18:28 |
I think Porcupine Tree and The Mars Volta are both prog, because structurally they both have the multi-part songs and the other blah-dee-dah with a sort of, I guess, "tone" that makes people call them alt. rock. Does that work for anyone?
And how's this, when someone says they don't like TMV for being too "alt. rock", but they like PT, it basically means they don't like the particular way in which TMV sound alty, and same goes for vice versa. *exhales
Ok then, I'm glad we had this... little talk.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: August 25 2009 at 01:06 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
I would disagree in a large part, but my question was how one could see PT is prog while TMV is not, when modern PT is far more poppy and alt-rock than TMV. |
No no, my comment was regarding your second sentence, about the nuances and such.
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Jozef
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Posted: August 25 2009 at 01:50 |
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Radiohead.
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