Alt-Prog
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Topic: Alt-Prog
Posted By: The Whistler
Subject: Alt-Prog
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 22:38
Basically, that genre we've come to love and know called "progressive alternative," or alt-prog. Or altk-prague for all the cool kids out there who are listening (seriously, where'd you all come from? Get back to your lives, don't waste them here with me!). Ahem. Anyway, these are those modern bands that have, although sticking with the basic radio friendly sounds of this modern era, refuse to conform to modern radio rock ideals. That means no prog-metal or retro keyboards; just honest alternative and indie influences which happen to be married to psychedelic and progressive ones. Which is why, I theorize, each of these bands has a "good twin," a radio friendly relation, who is sonically similar, but more likely to show up at parties (Radiohead has Coldplay, The Decemberists have Death Cab for Cutie, and The Mars Volta have...uh...I dunno, someone else who's loud and obnoxious but still gets radioplay). Hell, some (well, okay, just Muse) actually GET radio play. At least in my neck of the woodz they do. Anyway, I have a suspicion that we should get our lovin' for these bands down right now, since given the way the wheels of society are turning, I don't think that alt-prog is long for this world. Mark my words; soon, the lo-fi/freak folk revolution will have passed, and we'll be back to our punky roots on air... But, for the moment, let's examine this lot. My two favorites are as thus: my brain says the Radiohead, the more experimental and intelligent of the group, who I feel will be remembered and counted as influences on other bands for miles to come. But my gut says The Decemberists, the more soulful and pleasant of the group, and the ones who speak to the inner folkie. Others standbys include Porcupine Tree (who are loud and fun, but do tend to go on), The Volta (who are loud and fun, but do tend to go on. And on. And on...) and Muse (who I have nothing in theory against, but somehow never seem to get into as much as you'd expect). Climbing in at the last second are two bands that aren't nearly as big as anyone else up there, but Archive and Deerhoof are personal choices. You could say that this is the "labor of love" part of the poll, where I try and push two nice lil' bands into the spotlight. Archive is the progressive trip hop outfit that is really boring unless they're being spectacular, both of which they seem to do is spades. Seriously, it boggles my mind that an album with material like "Again," "Goodbye," "Fool" and some other sweet snippets isn't on my constant playlist, until I listen to it again. But they don't get near enough the press they oughta. Also, Deerhoof, first seen by myself when I saw them on an indie rock show playing the title track to the album Milk Man. I swiftly decided that I should recommend this noise-rock-meets-Genesis outfit to the archives. Only to learn, horribly enough, that they're already here. Seriously, anyone who...er...likes that sort of thing should investigate them.
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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 22:54
Radiohead most best
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 22:59
Mars Volta, mainly because I can't stand them... And they're more Alt-rock than prog IMO.
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 23:02
progkidjoel wrote:
Mars Volta, mainly because I can't stand them... And they're more Alt-rock than prog IMO. |
Er, uh, oops...this was a popularity contest, not a "who's most alternative." Hell, I wouldn't even know how to define that. I don't know what alternative sounds like. NO ONE knows what alternative sounds like. We just know what it doesn't sound like, and dump everyone who's left into the great, empty vaccuum of "alt," hoping that they find their respective ways home someday. Honestly, do Radiohead and The Decemberists sound anything alike?
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 23:07
The Whistler wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
Mars Volta, mainly because I can't stand them... And they're more Alt-rock than prog IMO. |
Er, uh, oops...this was a popularity contest, not a "who's most alternative." Hell, I wouldn't even know how to define that. I don't know what alternative sounds like. NO ONE knows what alternative sounds like. We just know what it doesn't sound like, and dump everyone who's left into the great, empty vaccuum of "alt," hoping that they find their respective ways home someday. Honestly, do Radiohead and The Decemberists sound anything alike? |
Well, I don't like The Mars Volta, and it mainly stems from the fact that I feel like they are an alternative/hard rock band, not a prog band...
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 23:11
progkidjoel wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
Mars Volta, mainly because I can't stand them... And they're more Alt-rock than prog IMO. |
Er, uh, oops...this was a popularity contest, not a "who's most alternative." Hell, I wouldn't even know how to define that. I don't know what alternative sounds like. NO ONE knows what alternative sounds like. We just know what it doesn't sound like, and dump everyone who's left into the great, empty vaccuum of "alt," hoping that they find their respective ways home someday. Honestly, do Radiohead and The Decemberists sound anything alike? |
Well, I don't like The Mars Volta, and it mainly stems from the fact that I feel like they are an alternative/hard rock band, not a prog band... |
Okay, fair cop. I would personally say that they are a prog band, since they use unconventional and long song structures, but I would also say that they are pretty terrible. Maybe not should-be-dragged-to-an-open-field-and-shot-before-they-infect-someone-else terrible, but surely I-would-rather-visit-my-grandparents-than-listen-to-most-Mars-Volta-songs terrible.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 23:15
Deerhoof for me A band I enjoy considerably. I'm surprised that it's as lowly rated as it is.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 23:42
The Whistler wrote:
but surely I-would-rather-visit-my-grandparents-than-listen-to-most-Mars-Volta-songs terrible. |
wow, that's bad
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 23:43
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 23:45
Atavachron wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
but surely I-would-rather-visit-my-grandparents-than-listen-to-most-Mars-Volta-songs terrible. |
wow, that's bad
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It ain't good, the crazy b*****ds.I always said the reason they got better as they went on is because they started SO LOW, it couldn't be helped. Still, I haven't heard the latest one yet. Maybe I'd actually find something to like.
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 01:06
It's unusual, because I don't really like the mix of alternative rock with prog, despite my liking of both genres. I suppose I will vote The Mars Volta, which I've never gotten into really, but I certainly don't think they are I-would-rather-visit-my-grandparents-than-listen-to-most-Mars-Volta-songs terrible. Maybe throwing-stuff-together-too-much-so-that-although-they-play-well-they-need-to-get-over-the-chaos just okay.
I would also say their more mainstream counterpart could be RHCP, since they have a partnership with them and have similar energy levels. The thing is though a lot of people know who TMV is already, despite lack of airplay.
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 01:08
The Whistler wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
but surely I-would-rather-visit-my-grandparents-than-listen-to-most-Mars-Volta-songs terrible. | wow, that's bad |
It ain't good, the crazy b*****ds.I always said the reason they got better as they went on is because they started SO LOW, it couldn't be helped. Still, I haven't heard the latest one yet. Maybe I'd actually find something to like. |
Doubt it - I bought Octahedron as a last chance sort of thing... More of the same disappointment.
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 01:52
The Decemberists.
But this is an extremely good group, so it was tough.
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 03:16
Porcupine Tree, I would think Tool would be on this list too though, don't know how you'd change that name... how about, Loot. :P
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 03:18
^^
How about... The TOOL's? 
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 03:30
The Whistler wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
Mars Volta, mainly because I can't stand them... And they're more Alt-rock than prog IMO. |
Er, uh, oops...this was a popularity contest, not a "who's most alternative." Hell, I wouldn't even know how to define that. I don't know what alternative sounds like. NO ONE knows what alternative sounds like. We just know what it doesn't sound like, and dump everyone who's left into the great, empty vaccuum of "alt," hoping that they find their respective ways home someday. Honestly, do Radiohead and The Decemberists sound anything alike? |
Well, I don't like The Mars Volta, and it mainly stems from the fact that I feel like they are an alternative/hard rock band, not a prog band... |
Okay, fair cop. I would personally say that they are a prog band, since they use unconventional and long song structures, but I would also say that they are pretty terrible. Maybe not should-be-dragged-to-an-open-field-and-shot-before-they-infect-someone-else terrible, but surely I-would-rather-visit-my-grandparents-than-listen-to-most-Mars-Volta-songs terrible. |
Even I haven't said anything as bad as that in a review. Way to go the W 
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 03:45
This is basically what my favorite genre is so cool poll but the answer is easily Radiohead.
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Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 04:43
King Crimson776 wrote:
Porcupine Tree, I would think Tool would be on this list too though, don't know how you'd change that name... how about, Loot. :P |
If Tool was on this list it would have got my vote. Now it's Porcupine Tree slightly over Radiohead.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 05:13
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 10:45
Porcupine Tree has always done a good job of staying progressive, some of these others have delved too deep into alt-rock. PT for me!
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Posted By: TheSubhuman
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 11:00
progkidjoel wrote:
Well, I don't like The Mars Volta, and it mainly stems from the fact that I feel like they are an alternative/hard rock band, not a prog band... |
I know you're entitled to your opinion, but I really can't get around the idea of disliking a band because they're not prog. TMV may not be to everyone's taste, but this is the first time I've heard someone doesn't like them because they are 'alternative-hard rock'.
Anyway, for once I'd like someone to actually DESCRIBE what the difference between those two 'genres' is... Probably I'm stupid, but I can't for the life of me understand why PT are prog and TMV are not - in my very humble opinion, it is the opposite, but then, what do I know?
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 11:12
Wot? No Cowherd and Calabria?
Ho-him, Radiodead for me then.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 15:22
Have to hear more of the Decemberists. They may be as interesting as Porcupine Tree.
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 20:15
progkidjoel wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
Mars Volta, mainly because I can't stand them... And they're more Alt-rock than prog IMO. |
Er, uh, oops...this was a popularity contest, not a "who's most alternative." Hell, I wouldn't even know how to define that. I don't know what alternative sounds like. NO ONE knows what alternative sounds like. We just know what it doesn't sound like, and dump everyone who's left into the great, empty vaccuum of "alt," hoping that they find their respective ways home someday.
Honestly, do Radiohead and The Decemberists sound anything alike? |
Well, I don't like The Mars Volta, and it mainly stems from the fact that I feel like they are an alternative/hard rock band, not a prog band... |
This is some of the most stupid reasoning I have ever heard/read.
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 20:17
The Whistler wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
but surely I-would-rather-visit-my-grandparents-than-listen-to-most-Mars-Volta-songs terrible. |
wow, that's bad
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It ain't good, the crazy b*****ds.I always said the reason they got better as they went on is because they started SO LOW, it couldn't be helped. Still, I haven't heard the latest one yet. Maybe I'd actually find something to like. |
I'll excuse your unfortunate stance on this matter simply because you put Deerhoof in this poll. They are quite a cool band, and not widely known or mentioned around here.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 20:41
Despite the mars volta being an alt/hard rock group I some how still voted for them as the best on the list.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 20:44
progkidjoel wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
Mars Volta, mainly because I can't stand them... And they're more Alt-rock than prog IMO. |
Er, uh, oops...this was a popularity contest, not a "who's most alternative." Hell, I wouldn't even know how to define that. I don't know what alternative sounds like. NO ONE knows what alternative sounds like. We just know what it doesn't sound like, and dump everyone who's left into the great, empty vaccuum of "alt," hoping that they find their respective ways home someday.
Honestly, do Radiohead and The Decemberists sound anything alike? |
Well, I don't like The Mars Volta, and it mainly stems from the fact that I feel like they are an alternative/hard rock band, not a prog band... |
And Porcupine Tree are? The nuances of these things are fascinating.
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: August 24 2009 at 10:20
^Aren't they?
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: August 24 2009 at 13:16
I would disagree in a large part, but my question was how one could see PT is prog while TMV is not, when modern PT is far more poppy and alt-rock than TMV.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 24 2009 at 13:25
The Mars Volta also strikes me as more Prog than modern Porcupine Tree.
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Posted By: SilverEclipse
Date Posted: August 24 2009 at 14:25
other.... Coheed
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Posted By: Todd
Date Posted: August 24 2009 at 14:50
I actually enjoy visiting my grandparents . . .
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: August 24 2009 at 18:28
I think Porcupine Tree and The Mars Volta are both prog, because structurally they both have the multi-part songs and the other blah-dee-dah with a sort of, I guess, "tone" that makes people call them alt. rock. Does that work for anyone?
And how's this, when someone says they don't like TMV for being too "alt. rock", but they like PT, it basically means they don't like the particular way in which TMV sound alty, and same goes for vice versa. *exhales
Ok then, I'm glad we had this... little talk.
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: August 25 2009 at 01:06
Henry Plainview wrote:
I would disagree in a large part, but my question was how one could see PT is prog while TMV is not, when modern PT is far more poppy and alt-rock than TMV. |
No no, my comment was regarding your second sentence, about the nuances and such.
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Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: August 25 2009 at 01:50
Radiohead.
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