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The T 
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 Posted: August 21 2009 at 23:24 |
LEGALIZE IT.
Or let's continue the hipocrisy
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: August 22 2009 at 00:11 |
 CPicard wrote:
It's the only use of cannabis I can accept, just as morphine and other drugs (yeah, I'm not very liberal when talking about drugs).
Using drugs for pleasure is just the sign of a weak mind.
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Francis Crick had a weak mind, ya know
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 22 2009 at 00:14 |
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There's no sane reason whatsoever why the stuff shouldn't be legal for medical reasons.
There's also not much in the way of sane reasons why it should be legal for recreational reasons.
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crimhead
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Posted: August 22 2009 at 00:33 |
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Agree as well as major hemp growth for fuel needs.
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GaryB
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Posted: August 22 2009 at 09:07 |
The intent of this poll and topic is to discuss the pros and cons of medical cannabis. The reason for the discussion, as stated earlier, is because along with gun control. abortion and gay marriage, this topic pops up at every election cycle. And all four of these controversial issues are being voted on (and sometimes passed) at the state level but are being ignored at the federal level.
To discuss this topic thoroughly you have to go back to the 1930s when cannabis was lumped in with dangerous drugs by the FDA. I've heard many people over the years question the inclusion of cannabis with heroin, morphine, cocaine, etc. After all, it is the only substance on the "banned" list that is used in it's natural form. It does not require processing or refinement. Heroin comes from a poppy, cocaine comes from a leaf. But that poppy and that leaf are not a theat to anyone or anything until it is processed, refined, purified, compressed and mixed with certain additives necessary for the finished product. Cannabis is grown to maturity, harvested and left to dry naturally and that's it, no chemical additives or processing.
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someone_else
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 09:30 |
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I think there should be other options.
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GaryB
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 11:15 |
When I started this topic I also wanted to know if other countries have similar medical use programs and if so, how are they doing? Have the programs been accepted or is there some controversy?
Another issue that I wanted to be discussed was abuse. Is the program closely monitored or is it possible for patients to go to the dispensary and buy cannabis for themselves AND buy some for a friend? Or worse yet, buy as much as they can and SELL it to people at a profit?
Keep in mind that the dispensaries are not affiliated with the screening clinics where doctors approve patients. They are independently owned and operated and so they are a business that needs to make a profit to keep the doors open.
So, to answer this question I asked my friend about limitations. She informed me that a patient can only visit a dispensary twice a day and cannot buy more than two ounces in one day.
Two ounces a day? I knew some heavy smokers in the 70s. I was in Viet Nam and cannabis was used more than the F-word but I have never known anyone who could smoke two ounces a day.
So I would say yes, it is definitely possible that the program with it's current limitations can be abused.
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himtroy
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 12:47 |
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Of course I've never smoked pot......
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Figglesnout
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 13:15 |
rileydog22 wrote:
There's no sane reason whatsoever why the stuff shouldn't be legal for medical reasons.There's also not much in the way of sane reasons why it should be legal for recreational reasons.
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Should, or shouldn't?
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I'm a reasonable man, get off my case
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Figglesnout
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 13:17 |
CPicard wrote:
It's the only use of cannabis I can accept, just as morphine and other drugs (yeah, I'm not very liberal when talking about drugs).Using drugs for pleasure is just the sign of a weak mind.
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Sex for pleasure is the sign of a weak mind.
Listening to music for pleasure is the sign of a weak mind.
Eating for pleasure is the sign of a weak mind.
Using a forum for pleasure is the sign of a weak mind.
Experiencing pleasure is the sign of a weak mind.
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I'm a reasonable man, get off my case
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UMUR
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 13:28 |
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Legalize.
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Matthew T
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 18:27 |
I plead the 5th Amendment (seen an awful lot of U.S crime shows)
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Matt
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Negoba
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 18:48 |
Though the OP would like to, there is no way to separate Marijuana from it's mind altering properties. Medical marijuana is a way to get the foot in the door for legalizing recreational use. Please don't fool yourself.
Here's the issues.
1. THC is a good appetite stimulant. So is Benadryl
2. THC is a good nausea medicine. So is Thorazine (probably much better, in fact)
3. THC is a moderate pain reliever. So is Sex
4. THC is a moderate glaucoma reliever. So is having your eyes plucked out.
Ok, the point is that I've seen non-recreational users trying THC for medicinal purposes. The hate it. Why? Because it makes them higher than a kite.
Now for a cancer patient that actually likes the effect, I say give them whatever they want. They're dying. If Zofran does it for them, let em have it. If heroin does it for them, well, we can give them transmucosal morphine and they'll like it better. In any case, denying terminally ill people anything is ludicrous.
2nd issue....THC as a mood-altering substance.
Every single person born has eaten something that has effected their mood and perception. Caffeine is the most obvious example but even the sugar rush from eating a doughnut is a way to change your perception by ingesting a chemical. It's all a matter of degree.
We currently have two legalized drugs (alcohol and nicotine) which cause immense damage to society and personal health. Caffeine is legal, and can cause some minor health problems to the individual. It should be legal and it is. THC is also extremely safe, moreso than both alcohol and nicotine. It should be legal by all rational counts.
So it stinks that THC is illegal almost everywhere. Life isn't fair. But don't talk about medical THC because that's a guise. Make it legal because it should be legal for what it is.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 20:50 |
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I'm for legalization of it regardless of its medical use.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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himtroy
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Posted: August 23 2009 at 20:52 |
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I'm for legalization because we're supposed to be living in a free country. We should be well informed of possible out comes and statistics and have the dignity to make our own decisions. Why does somebody elses voice have so much more power over my life than my own voice?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 06:48 |
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Getting drunk and driving, illegal
Smoking a cigarette while driving, legal
Using a cell phone while driving, legal
Smoking pot anywhere, illegal...
What's my point? None really. Maybe channeling Dave Atell a little.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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GaryB
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 07:42 |
Georgia must not yet have a law against using a cell phone while driving. We have a law here (CA) but people ignore it. Californians are liberals which means they pick which laws they want to follow and ignore the rest. Besides, if you asked a hundred Californians what they would want if stranded on a deserted island, ninety per cent would say "My car and my cell phone".
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Figglesnout
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 21:11 |
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@Negoba
Medical THC does have legitimate uses, and it should be legal for that purpose. The fact that many people who support legalized medical marijuana also support legal marijuana in general is a side issue, and it doesn't make efforts to legalize medical marijuana "a guise," any more than legalized medical morphine is a guise for legalized recreational morphine.
Medical marijuana should be legal because denying people access to medical treatment is prima facie unethical, especially when done by the government.
Recreational marijuana should be made legal for different reasons, and is not the subject of this thread.
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 21:54 |
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Legalize, of course
Has anyone made any stoned jokes yet? Y'know like 'Dude, where're the potato chips?'
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Epignosis
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Posted: August 24 2009 at 22:01 |
Negoba wrote:
3. THC is a moderate pain reliever. So is Sex |
Uh...that all depends on your wife! 
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