Medical Cannabis
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Topic: Medical Cannabis
Posted By: GaryB
Subject: Medical Cannabis
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 08:34
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I don't know about the rest of the world but for the last few years more and more states in the US have voted in the use of medical cannabis for the treatment of chronic pain. Along with gun control, abortion and gay marriage, medical cannabis has become a controversial issue when it shows up on any state ballot. Controversial issues usually make interesting discussions.
This is not about Bill and Ted excellently sharing a bong while watching Wayne's World, This is about the legitimate medical use of cannabis.
Secondly, I would like to hear from people in other countries about similar programs if any exist..
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 08:53
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I'd go further, prohibition against medical use and personal enjoyment just doesn't work. The prohibition of alcohol gave rise to the mafia, the prohibition against pot has given rise to drug gangs in and from Mexico. But to the confines of medical use only. It just makes sense. If it helps with glaucoma and nausea relief for chemo patients, etc. why not? Back off topic, this stuff being demonized has also led to hemp being illegal, which doesn't get anyone high and is a useful and valuable crop. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 11:14
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It's the only use of cannabis I can accept, just as morphine and other drugs (yeah, I'm not very liberal when talking about drugs). Using drugs for pleasure is just the sign of a weak mind. |
Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 11:39
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THE QUESTION OF THE POLL DOES NOT LEND ITSELF TO BEING ANSWERED WITH "I AGREE" OR "I DISAGREE." ALSO, I LIKE TO SHOUT. In a related note, I am for the use of medical marijuana so I voted "I AGREE" figuring that is the proper response for my disposition. ------------- Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 12:24
What was the middle part?   ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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CPicard wrote:Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 12:33
Hein? What middle part? Let me check my french/english dictionary. |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 12:34
| I use it to treat overthinking. |
Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 12:39
| you're all banned |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 12:46
I'm surprised this hasn't been locked yet but hey, we're Canadian, it's legal here anyways.  |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 12:57
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Seeing how this is the PROG archives I'm not too surprised at the results thus far: 8 agrees, 0 for the others
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 13:00
Someone who's obviously never tried it.If anything you need a strong mind to handle drugs. I think it's fine,even for pleasure.I don't care for it all that much.I'm one of those people who thinks it should be legalized but if you do it to much and screw yourself up then it's your fault. I refer you all to watch Bill Hicks clips on drugs. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 13:08
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I have no opinion. How could I? How can I know if any substance is being good or bad for human health? Cannabis, aspirin, salt, water blessed by priest. I have not clue about medical or pharmaceutical sciences. Hence I can't say. It's taken for granted aspirin is reducing a head pain. I guess some scientific analysis and verification for acetylsalycin exists. I don't know if such thing exists for tetrahydrocannabinol. There are numerous articles around, but they're all dealing with controversy of a drug abuse. It would be interesting to hear an opinion directly from a physician or a pharmacist. |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 13:17
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Actually, it would be interesting to see the difference between cannabis
and narcotics, in terms of dependency and effectiveness. For example,
if I take a pill of Oxycontin to get rid of a migraine it bits me in the
butt because I get a rebound migraine, which leaves me in the same
place I was in before. I've been taking 500 mg doses of Excedrin since I
was 4 and it's pretty much like eating candy now. No preventative
medications work either, the most effective was an antidepressant, but I
don't like taking that since I feel like an emotionless zombie if I do.
I'm not justifying it only for me, but I know many people in family
that have had them their whole lives. Would it be a viable alternative?
From what I know, it would be nowhere near as destructive as narcotics
for such situations, where there isn't an alternative way to gain
relief. I wonder what the controversy is over, the drug itself or it's stigma? It can't be worse than anything that's already legal, I know a person from school that abused her prescription narcotics, and since she has a bad knee, is almost free to do so on a whim. Note: I am not advocating it, I'm trying to compare it to what I have seen/experienced. |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 13:29
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It does less to you than morphine when in reasonable doses, and if you took enough morphine where the equivalent of cannabis would get you into those states that people so vehemently dislike you'd probably wind up overdosed and dead. But I'll stop now, because I don't want to get banned. |
Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 16:52
take a look at yourself... you're already banned
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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 18:14
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I don't know how anyone could say no to medical marijuana in good conscience. ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: g0rd0nb0mbay
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 19:26
EXACTLY what I was thinking.....i totally agree by the way...man ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/g0rd0nb0mbay/?chartstyle=basicrt10"> 
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Posted By: GaryB
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 21:59
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I thought the poll was very simple to understand. There's a title, Medical Cannabis that tells you exactly what the poll is about. There's a question, How do you feel about the legal use of... And then there's three choices, I agree with the legal use of..., I disagree with the legal use of... and I have no opinion on the legal use of...
I can't make it any simpler than that.
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Posted By: Captain Capricorn
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 22:06
| ...it's the only thing that helps me overlook the fact that I'm not reaching my full potential ...& I'm ok with that. |
Posted By: GaryB
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 22:25
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Here's how this started. I recently found out that a friend had qualified for medical cannabis and she had been using it for some time. I had always been curious about the proceedure so we talked quite a bit about it. Basically you call a clinic and make an appointment where you are seen by a REAL doctor. After discussing your condition with you, he determines whether or not you are qualified. If you are, you're given a bunch of paperwork which includes a certificate with an official medical seal and the doctor's signature and a plastic ID card. With that ID card and a valid driver's license you can go to any dispensary in the state and basically, go shopping. Before this all happens you must be referred to the screening clinic by an outside physician. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 21 2009 at 23:24
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LEGALIZE IT.
Or let's continue the hipocrisy ------------- 
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 00:11
Francis Crick had a weak mind, ya know ------------- 
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 00:14
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There's no sane reason whatsoever why the stuff shouldn't be legal for medical reasons. There's also not much in the way of sane reasons why it should be legal for recreational reasons. -------------   |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 00:33
| Agree as well as major hemp growth for fuel needs. |
Posted By: GaryB
Date Posted: August 22 2009 at 09:07
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The intent of this poll and topic is to discuss the pros and cons of medical cannabis. The reason for the discussion, as stated earlier, is because along with gun control. abortion and gay marriage, this topic pops up at every election cycle. And all four of these controversial issues are being voted on (and sometimes passed) at the state level but are being ignored at the federal level. To discuss this topic thoroughly you have to go back to the 1930s when cannabis was lumped in with dangerous drugs by the FDA. I've heard many people over the years question the inclusion of cannabis with heroin, morphine, cocaine, etc. After all, it is the only substance on the "banned" list that is used in it's natural form. It does not require processing or refinement. Heroin comes from a poppy, cocaine comes from a leaf. But that poppy and that leaf are not a theat to anyone or anything until it is processed, refined, purified, compressed and mixed with certain additives necessary for the finished product. Cannabis is grown to maturity, harvested and left to dry naturally and that's it, no chemical additives or processing.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 09:30
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I think there should be other options. ------------- 
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Posted By: GaryB
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 11:15
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When I started this topic I also wanted to know if other countries have similar medical use programs and if so, how are they doing? Have the programs been accepted or is there some controversy?
Another issue that I wanted to be discussed was abuse. Is the program closely monitored or is it possible for patients to go to the dispensary and buy cannabis for themselves AND buy some for a friend? Or worse yet, buy as much as they can and SELL it to people at a profit?
Keep in mind that the dispensaries are not affiliated with the screening clinics where doctors approve patients. They are independently owned and operated and so they are a business that needs to make a profit to keep the doors open.
So, to answer this question I asked my friend about limitations. She informed me that a patient can only visit a dispensary twice a day and cannot buy more than two ounces in one day.
Two ounces a day? I knew some heavy smokers in the 70s. I was in Viet Nam and cannabis was used more than the F-word but I have never known anyone who could smoke two ounces a day.
So I would say yes, it is definitely possible that the program with it's current limitations can be abused.
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 12:47
| Of course I've never smoked pot...... |
Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 13:15
Should, or shouldn't? ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 13:17
Sex for pleasure is the sign of a weak mind. Listening to music for pleasure is the sign of a weak mind. Eating for pleasure is the sign of a weak mind. Using a forum for pleasure is the sign of a weak mind. Experiencing pleasure is the sign of a weak mind. ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 13:28
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Legalize. ------------- http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - Metal Music Archives https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Matthew T
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 18:27
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I plead the 5th Amendment (seen an awful lot of U.S crime shows) ------------- Matt |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 18:48
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Though the OP would like to, there is no way to separate Marijuana from it's mind altering properties. Medical marijuana is a way to get the foot in the door for legalizing recreational use. Please don't fool yourself.
Here's the issues.
1. THC is a good appetite stimulant. So is Benadryl
2. THC is a good nausea medicine. So is Thorazine (probably much better, in fact)
3. THC is a moderate pain reliever. So is Sex
4. THC is a moderate glaucoma reliever. So is having your eyes plucked out.
Ok, the point is that I've seen non-recreational users trying THC for medicinal purposes. The hate it. Why? Because it makes them higher than a kite.
Now for a cancer patient that actually likes the effect, I say give them whatever they want. They're dying. If Zofran does it for them, let em have it. If heroin does it for them, well, we can give them transmucosal morphine and they'll like it better. In any case, denying terminally ill people anything is ludicrous.
2nd issue....THC as a mood-altering substance.
Every single person born has eaten something that has effected their mood and perception. Caffeine is the most obvious example but even the sugar rush from eating a doughnut is a way to change your perception by ingesting a chemical. It's all a matter of degree.
We currently have two legalized drugs (alcohol and nicotine) which cause immense damage to society and personal health. Caffeine is legal, and can cause some minor health problems to the individual. It should be legal and it is. THC is also extremely safe, moreso than both alcohol and nicotine. It should be legal by all rational counts.
So it stinks that THC is illegal almost everywhere. Life isn't fair. But don't talk about medical THC because that's a guise. Make it legal because it should be legal for what it is. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 20:50
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I'm for legalization of it regardless of its medical use. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: August 23 2009 at 20:52
| I'm for legalization because we're supposed to be living in a free country. We should be well informed of possible out comes and statistics and have the dignity to make our own decisions. Why does somebody elses voice have so much more power over my life than my own voice? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 24 2009 at 06:48
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Getting drunk and driving, illegal Smoking a cigarette while driving, legal Using a cell phone while driving, legal Smoking pot anywhere, illegal... What's my point? None really. Maybe channeling Dave Atell a little. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: GaryB
Date Posted: August 24 2009 at 07:42
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Georgia must not yet have a law against using a cell phone while driving. We have a law here (CA) but people ignore it. Californians are liberals which means they pick which laws they want to follow and ignore the rest. Besides, if you asked a hundred Californians what they would want if stranded on a deserted island, ninety per cent would say "My car and my cell phone".
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Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: August 24 2009 at 21:11
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@Negoba
Medical THC does have legitimate uses, and it should be legal for that purpose. The fact that many people who support legalized medical marijuana also support legal marijuana in general is a side issue, and it doesn't make efforts to legalize medical marijuana "a guise," any more than legalized medical morphine is a guise for legalized recreational morphine. Medical marijuana should be legal because denying people access to medical treatment is prima facie unethical, especially when done by the government. Recreational marijuana should be made legal for different reasons, and is not the subject of this thread. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 24 2009 at 21:54
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Legalize, of course Has anyone made any stoned jokes yet? Y'know like 'Dude, where're the potato chips?' |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 24 2009 at 22:01
Uh...that all depends on your wife!  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 24 2009 at 22:13
I'm very liberal on the drug issue. I would prefer any drugs be made legal regardless of what they would be used for, but I'm sure I'm in the minority on that one. 
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 25 2009 at 00:24
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Far from a spliff decision ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 25 2009 at 00:27
 Imagine the 100 metre being run in 4.98 seconds with the paramedics on standby.
Always thought that would be good, no need for drug testing just see which records would be broken..... ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: August 25 2009 at 00:30
That would be far more interesting but then again with addicts in the shooting and archery.That could go very wrong ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: GaryB
Date Posted: August 25 2009 at 07:05
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To be honest with you, I'm not concerned one way or the other about legalization which is why it was not included in this topic. That's because in CA cannabis was "decriminalized" in 1972. If you're caught with an ounce or less it is confiscated and you recieve a one hundred dollar fine. Anything over an ounce is subject to existing "possesion" laws and results in jail and court just like it's always been (since the 1930s). BTW, this is an excellent point about "first steps". People are always pointing out that changing the law is the first step toward legalization. Well, decriminalization went into effect thirty-seven years ago and so far, the second step hasn't been taken yet and probably never will (even with a liberal administration in power and in a liberal state like CA). |
Posted By: GaryB
Date Posted: August 25 2009 at 07:32
| After talking to my friend about the clinics I came up with another question. Where do the dispensaries get their product and how do they get it? These places stock pounds not ounces. I have never heard of government approved cannabis growing facilities except for research purposes. If that is the case then these dispensaries buy illegally from illegal growers, probably in northern CA. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 25 2009 at 13:21
Not saying we should just throw out the regulations that are already in place, but private drug use shouldn't be dictated by the government. And before you ask, no, I am NOT a drug user. I haven't even taken a sip of alcohol in my life. I still think drug use should be legal (except when driving or using it for unfair advantages in sports like it is currently, obviously) P.S. I don't want to go into this any further, because it's just going to turn into the infamous 'Drug Thread' all over again, and I don't want to be responsible for that, so moving on . . . Medical uses and benefits has been proven, so yes, it should be allowed. Simple. My answer is 'yes'. Good day, all!  |
Posted By: Xanthous
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 20:18
Great post. Pretty much sums up my opinions. Legalize It, Don't Criticize It- Peter Tosh
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 14:35
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100% legality, all ages, no restrictions (except for jobs and whatnot). ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 14:58
| * sound of bong water gurgling * |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 15:26
Fun fact. In Georgia it is illegal to go into shop that sells bongs and call it a bong. You can only refer to it as a water pipe. Also rather amusing, on Buford Highway in Atlanta there is a shop across the road from a shop that sells bongs called Bee Bong. |
Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 15:34
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I think medical cannabis definitely should be legal, though I also feel that if the patient doesn't want to take the cannabis he shouldn't have to do it. I live in one of the few, if not the only country where cannabis is legal for recreational use from the age of 18. The effects that this has on society are mostly positive. Because of the legal use of a relatively soft drug like cannabis, many people aren't going to put tons of effort in getting more extreme drugs like cocaine and heroin. The result of this is that the Netherlands have a low amount of hard drug addicts compared to many other countries. The only negative side from this might be that people younger than 18 also can easily maintain cannabis. I don't feel that this can compensate against the positive effects though.
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 08:41
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Better to feel pain (normal reality in my life, my left knee is sending pain to my brain every second of my life, I learned to ignore it after all these years), than live my life in altered state and suffer all these consequences of smoking mary. If I want to get drunk, I'll drink beer. But I don't smoke, I don't like this behaviour and state of mind that it brings. Beer for life! ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 09:09
I see we have an advocate for medicinal beer? The whole point is that pot can relieve the extreme nausea that people get when receiving certain chemical medical treatments. Beer would not likely do that, but what do I know? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 11:10
OK, you got me, I off-topiced a little bit. I remember my ex saying: "I can't drink beer, I'm taking pills." in this case, it would be helpful. So would be opium (or morfium). But hell, some people here take beer as cure for everything. Something like vodka in Russia. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |