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JLocke
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 01:36 |
stonebeard wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?
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If a riff in a song sounds slightly similar (and it is nothing more than slightly if anything...the tempo, groove, time signature, and rhythm in Dogs is entirely different to the riff in Time Flies, which is why I didn't make the connection...you have to reach pretty far to find it). But there is a similar tempo and closer strumming to the chorus of Time Flies to that of Sheep, and I noticed that pretty early on listening to it. I see no connection in the lyrics to Dogs, nor in the vocal melody. Overall, I suppose it could be subliminally inspired by Sheep, but I think the two songs are wildly different. You could say that by 90% of all pop music now, though. They don't sound similar enough to taint the song.
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Thank you for being honest. At least I know you don't hear the similarities at all, so it makes more sense why you would fight me on this. However, the similarities are still quite obvious.
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 01:39 |
p0mt3 wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?
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If a riff in a song sounds slightly similar (and it is nothing more than slightly if anything...the tempo, groove, time signature, and rhythm in Dogs is entirely different to the riff in Time Flies, which is why I didn't make the connection...you have to reach pretty far to find it). But there is a similar tempo and closer strumming to the chorus of Time Flies to that of Sheep, and I noticed that pretty early on listening to it. I see no connection in the lyrics to Dogs, nor in the vocal melody. Overall, I suppose it could be subliminally inspired by Sheep, but I think the two songs are wildly different. You could say that by 90% of all pop music now, though. They don't sound similar enough to taint the song.
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Thank you for being honest. At least I know you don't hear the similarities at all, so it makes more sense why you would fight me on this.
However, the similarities are still quite obvious.
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Oh yeah, I agree. About the similarity. In "Sheep."
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JLocke
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 01:43 |
stonebeard wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?
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If a riff in a song sounds slightly similar (and it is nothing more than slightly if anything...the tempo, groove, time signature, and rhythm in Dogs is entirely different to the riff in Time Flies, which is why I didn't make the connection...you have to reach pretty far to find it). But there is a similar tempo and closer strumming to the chorus of Time Flies to that of Sheep, and I noticed that pretty early on listening to it. I see no connection in the lyrics to Dogs, nor in the vocal melody. Overall, I suppose it could be subliminally inspired by Sheep, but I think the two songs are wildly different. You could say that by 90% of all pop music now, though. They don't sound similar enough to taint the song.
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Thank you for being honest. At least I know you don't hear the similarities at all, so it makes more sense why you would fight me on this.
However, the similarities are still quite obvious.
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Oh yeah, I agree. About the similarity. In "Sheep."
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Yeah, I think everybody hears 'Sheep' if they don't hear anything else. But like I say, I'm still excited about this song and whole album despite my initial reaction.
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russellk
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 02:11 |
p0mt3 wrote:
russellk wrote:
Sorry, did I say I didn't think it was inspired by 'Animals'? What I said was that it is not a carbon copy.
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So you are willing to admit that those songs did in fact inspire this track?
See, if the inspiration is indeed that obvious, to me, that's a bad thing. I've heard Pink Floyd influences in Porcupine Tree's music before, but never this obvious or 'in-your-face', and yes, that saddens me.
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I don't know what inspired this track. I can hear similarities between this song and some of the basic riffs in 'Animals' but that might be because they were pointed out before I listened to the song. Whether PT were 'inspired' or not by PF, my point is that I do not buy the 'carbon-copy' argument.
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JLocke
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:23 |
russellk wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
russellk wrote:
Sorry, did I say I didn't think it was inspired by 'Animals'? What I said was that it is not a carbon copy.
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So you are willing to admit that those songs did in fact inspire this track?
See, if the inspiration is indeed that obvious, to me, that's a bad thing. I've heard Pink Floyd influences in Porcupine Tree's music before, but never this obvious or 'in-your-face', and yes, that saddens me.
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I don't know what inspired this track. I can hear similarities between this song and some of the basic riffs in 'Animals' but that might be because they were pointed out before I listened to the song. Whether PT were 'inspired' or not by PF, my point is that I do not buy the 'carbon-copy' argument.
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Well, good thing I wasn't 'selling' it, then. It's just an opinion; doesn't have to be yours, and if I gave the impression that I was trying to force my opinions on others here, I do apologize. I do not ask anybody to 'buy' anything I say. All I ask is that they listen.
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russellk
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:34 |
I listened and have no problem with your opinion. We differ, that's all :)
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JLocke
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:41 |
russellk wrote:
I listened and have no problem with your opinion. We differ, that's all :)
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And hopefully we both love Porcupine Tree?
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russellk
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:46 |
You only have to look at my reviews to work that out!
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Tony R
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 04:51 |
Vocally, It sounds more like the band's own "Stars Die".
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Dim
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 06:18 |
So I listened to half of the song, and I must admit I'm seriously disappointed. I dont know if it was the boring guitar, or if I was just put off the the ridiculously corny lyrics... "I was born in '67 the year of Seargeant pepper..." Ugh kill me.
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IGNEO1991
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 08:48 |
p0mt3 wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
P0mt3 I don't know why you're freaking out. You do realize that PT has been trying to sound like PF since they started. I mean come on. |
Well, they haven't succeeded until now, my friend.
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wht?? listen to the 'sky moves sideways'... if that doesnt sound like pink floyd to you then listen again
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The Sleepwalker
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 12:47 |
I find the single somewhat dissapointing. It really does sound like PF's Dogs, which I don't think is a bad thing, as I am a huge Floyd fan. I do think that the song lacks power though. I find it kind of uninteresting at some times. This might be caused because I had some very high expectations on the single after hearing the medley of the whole album.
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g0rd0nb0mbay
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 13:43 |
Im refusing to listen to any of this album until i own the physical copy so it will all come as new to me. Threads like this make my challenge very difficult!
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JLocke
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 15:10 |
As I stated already, Sky Moves Sideways is the only other time PT has sounded blatantly like PF, but even then, it was only because Wilson was adopting a similar playing style to Gilmour, and that was where the similarities ended. With this track, the chords are almost exactly the same, with only a few tweaks here and there to give the song some sense of identity. It therefore is the first time PT have actually succeeded in sounding exactly lie Pink Floyd. My opinion. I really wish people would overview what I type before bringing up stuff I've already addressed. It saves me from repeating myself, after all.
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JROCHA
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 16:43 |
My fault for over reacting earlier , i just think the album will sound much better altogether than just some small 5 minute clip on the internet.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 19:03 |
So I'm the only one who thinks it sounds more like TMV than PF? Ah well, I can bear the burden of truth alone. ;-)
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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-Radioswim-
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Posted: August 08 2009 at 10:27 |
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AtlantisAgony
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Posted: August 08 2009 at 11:05 |
I think perhaps that he meant the way this lines are fitted in to the music, how they are sung, etc...
Edited by AtlantisAgony - August 08 2009 at 11:05
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 08 2009 at 11:23 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
So I'm the only one who thinks it sounds more like TMV than PF? Ah well, I can bear the burden of truth alone. ;-) |
I guess I can agree with that. The overall sound of the song is completely detached from Pink Floyd's style from any era. I wouldn't say it sounds like TMV, but I suppose it's closer than Floyd.
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-Radioswim-
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Posted: August 08 2009 at 20:54 |
AtlantisAgony wrote:
I think perhaps that he meant the way this lines are fitted in to the music, how they are sung, etc... |
Fitted into the music? how they are sung? Nothing changes the fact that they are sentance fragments. If they fit into the sentance, they fit. Nothing can be said to warrant 'copy cat' lyrics from those sentance fragments. Unless they are in the same context, and in the same structure as said name song. I'm honestly sick of accusations of plajurism or simliarization of lyrics/melodies. Steve Wilson is damn original artist, and i don't think a borrowing of a sentance fragment or two, doesn't warrant an accusation. Have a wonderful night fellas.
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