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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 01:36
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?


If a riff in a song sounds slightly similar (and it is nothing more than slightly if anything...the tempo, groove, time signature,  and rhythm in Dogs is entirely different to the riff in Time Flies, which is why I didn't make the connection...you have to reach pretty far to find it). But there is a similar tempo and closer strumming to the chorus of Time Flies to that of Sheep, and I noticed that pretty early on listening to it. I see no connection in the lyrics to Dogs, nor in the vocal melody. Overall, I suppose it could be subliminally inspired by Sheep, but I think the two songs are wildly different. You could say that by 90% of all pop music now, though. They don't sound similar enough to taint the song.


Thank you for being honest. At least I know you don't hear the similarities at all, so it makes more sense why you would fight me on this. Wink

However, the similarities are still quite obvious. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 01:39
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?


If a riff in a song sounds slightly similar (and it is nothing more than slightly if anything...the tempo, groove, time signature,  and rhythm in Dogs is entirely different to the riff in Time Flies, which is why I didn't make the connection...you have to reach pretty far to find it). But there is a similar tempo and closer strumming to the chorus of Time Flies to that of Sheep, and I noticed that pretty early on listening to it. I see no connection in the lyrics to Dogs, nor in the vocal melody. Overall, I suppose it could be subliminally inspired by Sheep, but I think the two songs are wildly different. You could say that by 90% of all pop music now, though. They don't sound similar enough to taint the song.


Thank you for being honest. At least I know you don't hear the similarities at all, so it makes more sense why you would fight me on this. Wink

However, the similarities are still quite obvious. LOL


Oh yeah, I agree. About the similarity. In "Sheep." Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 01:43
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Do you honestly think this song WASN'T inspired by the 'Animals' songs?


If a riff in a song sounds slightly similar (and it is nothing more than slightly if anything...the tempo, groove, time signature,  and rhythm in Dogs is entirely different to the riff in Time Flies, which is why I didn't make the connection...you have to reach pretty far to find it). But there is a similar tempo and closer strumming to the chorus of Time Flies to that of Sheep, and I noticed that pretty early on listening to it. I see no connection in the lyrics to Dogs, nor in the vocal melody. Overall, I suppose it could be subliminally inspired by Sheep, but I think the two songs are wildly different. You could say that by 90% of all pop music now, though. They don't sound similar enough to taint the song.


Thank you for being honest. At least I know you don't hear the similarities at all, so it makes more sense why you would fight me on this. Wink

However, the similarities are still quite obvious. LOL


Oh yeah, I agree. About the similarity. In "Sheep." Wink


Yeah, I think everybody hears 'Sheep' if they don't hear anything else. LOL

But like I say, I'm still excited about this song and whole album despite my initial reaction.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 02:11
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Sorry, did I say I didn't think it was inspired by 'Animals'? What I said was that it is not a carbon copy.


So you are willing to admit that those songs did in fact inspire this track?

See, if the inspiration is indeed that obvious, to me, that's a bad thing. I've heard Pink Floyd influences in Porcupine Tree's music before, but never this obvious or 'in-your-face', and yes, that saddens me.


I don't know what inspired this track. I can hear similarities between this song and some of the basic riffs in 'Animals' but that might be because they were pointed out before I listened to the song. Whether PT were 'inspired' or not by PF, my point is that I do not buy the 'carbon-copy' argument.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:23
Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Sorry, did I say I didn't think it was inspired by 'Animals'? What I said was that it is not a carbon copy.


So you are willing to admit that those songs did in fact inspire this track?

See, if the inspiration is indeed that obvious, to me, that's a bad thing. I've heard Pink Floyd influences in Porcupine Tree's music before, but never this obvious or 'in-your-face', and yes, that saddens me.


I don't know what inspired this track. I can hear similarities between this song and some of the basic riffs in 'Animals' but that might be because they were pointed out before I listened to the song. Whether PT were 'inspired' or not by PF, my point is that I do not buy the 'carbon-copy' argument.


Well, good thing I wasn't 'selling' it, then. Wink

It's just an opinion; doesn't have to be yours, and if I gave the impression that I was trying to force my opinions on others here, I do apologize. I do not ask anybody to 'buy' anything I say. All I ask is that they listen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:34
I listened and have no problem with your opinion. We differ, that's all :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:41
Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

I listened and have no problem with your opinion. We differ, that's all :)


And hopefully we both love Porcupine Tree? Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:46
You only have to look at my reviews to work that out!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 04:51
Vocally, It sounds more like the band's own "Stars Die".


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 06:18
So I listened to half of the song, and I must admit I'm seriously disappointed. I dont know if it was the boring guitar, or if I was just put off the the ridiculously corny lyrics... "I was born in '67 the year of Seargeant pepper..." Ugh kill me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 08:48
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

P0mt3 I don't know why you're freaking out. You do realize that PT has been trying to sound like PF since they started. I mean come on.


Well, they haven't succeeded until now, my friend. LOL
 
wht?? listen to the 'sky moves sideways'... if that doesnt sound like pink floyd to you then listen again
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 12:47
I find the single somewhat dissapointing. It really does sound like PF's Dogs, which I don't think is a bad thing, as I am a huge Floyd fan. I do think that the song lacks power though. I find it kind of uninteresting at some times. This might be caused because I had some very high expectations on the single after hearing the medley of the whole album. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 13:43
Im refusing to listen to any of this album until i own the physical copy so it will all come as new to me. Threads like this make my challenge very difficult!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 15:10
Originally posted by IGNEO1991 IGNEO1991 wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

P0mt3 I don't know why you're freaking out. You do realize that PT has been trying to sound like PF since they started. I mean come on.


Well, they haven't succeeded until now, my friend. LOL
 
wht?? listen to the 'sky moves sideways'... if that doesnt sound like pink floyd to you then listen again


As I stated already, Sky Moves Sideways is the only other time PT has sounded blatantly like PF, but even then, it was only because Wilson was adopting a similar playing style to Gilmour, and that was where the similarities ended.

With this track, the chords are almost exactly the same, with only a few tweaks here and there to give the song some sense of identity. It therefore is the first time PT have actually succeeded in sounding exactly lie Pink Floyd.

My opinion.

I really wish people would overview what I type before bringing up stuff I've already addressed. It saves me from repeating myself, after all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 16:43
My fault for over reacting earlierEmbarrassed, i just think the album will sound much better altogether than just some small 5 minute clip on the internet. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2009 at 19:03
So I'm the only one who thinks it sounds more like TMV than PF? Ah well, I can bear the burden of truth alone. ;-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2009 at 10:27
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

The chorus sounds more like the outro to "Sheep" to me, but it's a very good songs and only sounds slightly familiar. The lyrics in particular seem to have shed some teenage angst.


Yeah, the chorus is from 'Sheep', and the verses are from 'Dogs'.

'And after a while . . . '

'You've got to . . . '

to me seem like clear rip-offs lyrically, as well as musically. Confused

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What? "and after a while" and "you've got to"? are your examples of 'copy cat' lyrics????!
are you a fool man? As if Pink Floyd pioneerd those sentance fragments... *laugh*
I started eating bananas 'and after a while' i got a stomach ache...
'You've got to' be a fool. Oh man i just copied Pink Floyd everyone...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2009 at 11:05
I think perhaps that he meant the way this lines are fitted in to the music, how they are sung, etc...

Edited by AtlantisAgony - August 08 2009 at 11:05
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2009 at 11:23
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

So I'm the only one who thinks it sounds more like TMV than PF? Ah well, I can bear the burden of truth alone. ;-)


I guess I can agree with that. The overall sound of the song is completely detached from Pink Floyd's style from any era. I wouldn't say it sounds like TMV, but I suppose it's closer than Floyd.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2009 at 20:54
Originally posted by AtlantisAgony AtlantisAgony wrote:

I think perhaps that he meant the way this lines are fitted in to the music, how they are sung, etc...

Fitted into the music? how they are sung?
Nothing changes the fact that they are sentance fragments. If they fit into the sentance, they fit.
Nothing can be said to warrant 'copy cat' lyrics from those sentance fragments. Unless they are in the same context, and in the same structure as said name song. I'm honestly sick of accusations of plajurism or simliarization of lyrics/melodies. Steve Wilson is damn original artist, and i don't think a borrowing of a sentance fragment or two, doesn't warrant an accusation. Have a wonderful night fellas.
 

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