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    Posted: June 30 2009 at 22:06
Inspired by the already hot and famous MJ thread and his influences on Prog, I would like to talk about if Madonna influenced Prog with some of her albums. As perhaps somebody can say YES, I said NO, because results obvious.
 
However, Iīve always thought that Madonna (or her songwriters in that period) showed a big prog mark in his first self titled album, "Madonna" -1983-, with long songs that goes nearly the six, seven minutes.
 
I can appreciate that this first album, the only one I like, contains pure progressivepop with big songs. The best example is "Physical Attraction", a great one with huge prog movements.
I love that wonderful tunes really. Sure anyone here has listen to it and know what am I talking about.  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 22:08
of course she did, but what about Eddie Money?  Now that guy.. am I right?

I did like Truth or Dare, one of the best music documentary I ever seen.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 22:20

A six or seven minute song does not prog make.  It depends on what happens in the song - key changes, shifts in tempo, unusual time signatures, that sort of thing.  But I have to admit I have not paid much attention to Madonna's music, nor have I taken much of her output seriously.

 
Eddie Money.  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 23:59
The "six or seven minutes song"  was just a little piece of information. A prog song neither needs to be a long song, but itīs a fact that progressive has usually that lenght in the tracks.
 
I only said that to remark she use that minutes to built key changes, tempo changes and different rythms...
 
You might listen to it even you donīt like Madonna very much. Itīs not a "like a virgin" one. Itīs quite different, I assure you. Listen to others music can surprise us often, and that was a amazing gift ,for me at least.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 00:11
Oh yea totally.

Madonna, Mariah Carey, Jessica Simpson.
3 most influential people in modern prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 00:39
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Oh yea totally.

Madonna, Mariah Carey, Jessica Simpson.
3 most influential people in modern prog.
 
Who said Madonna influenced modern prog?Exclamation
 
And the most important...have you heard that album?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 03:50
Yes, assuming that Shakira is an exponent of modern prog. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 04:02
'Ray of Light' had it's moments.

File this and the 'Did Michael Jackson...?' thread under 'Mariah Carey Thread.'

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 04:22
Did prog influence Madonna?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 04:39
Did Ron sleep with Loraine?  Will Bertha have to get an appendectomy, and will her troglodytic half-brother ever be found?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 05:54
Are not you aware of Madonna's underground demos? Her 80's material is nothing but a "director's cut" of her true music: everybody knows she loves jamming with her musicians and recording some weiiiiird electro-jazz-funk improvisations, making think of both Kraftwerk (they're in PA!) and Miles Davis (he's in it too!).
What you hear on the radio is just a radio-friendly edit of 15 minutes funky kraut-rock pieces!

I still remember seeing one of her first live performances in 1981, back when she was covering "Tanzmusik", then Magma's "Tröller Tanz"! A great show.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 07:14
Confessions on a Dance floor is a very well produced album that was made as an album with continuous music. While I'm sure the continuous music and longer songs on this excellent album were inspired more from techno DJs than prog rock, the album provides musical pleasure similar to some of the prog greats. It has a variety of influences, styles, and tempo changes too....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 07:15
^^Its already in "Just For Fun" where on earth would one move it too?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 07:16
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^^Its already in "Just For Fun" where on earth would one move it too?
Whoops! You are right! I thought this was in the main thread since I saw it on the main page. My bad! I edited my original post to not include my worriness of moving the thread!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 08:12
Hi,
 
I'm more inclined to think that Madonna ended up copying and doing a more popular version of Kate Bush ... whereas Kate is more reserved and literate as a person, Madonna was at least shrewd enough to know how she could get attention and get on the stage in America and succeed at it.
 
I often think of Madonna as a more publicity driven machine ... where as Kate Bush would be more of an artist and less interested in the millions to support her life style.  Not sure that this is about greed ... one certainly can not say that Madonna has taken the money and run like so many others out there.
 
To my ears, she has a very good ear and eye for music and displaying it ... I would have liked to see her direct videos and film itself (not her ex!) ... because she does have a very good visual sense, and it shows in her concerts, albeit for my personal preference I would rather see Kate Bush perform as I find the music much more valuable to me than Madonna's ... and if we are discussing "progressive", I could easily say that Kate is much more exploratory and creative and what she puts together is not "just another song" ... I still think of a lot of it as a stream of consciousness poetry ... and in thsi sense Madonna is mostly songs.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 08:19
Apparently, Guy Ritchie is making a film about a prog band that got involved with gansters........not....


Hang on a minute.Stray were managed by Charlie Kray. Perhaps Madonna could play the Kray's mother.They luvved their old mum,they did.

Edited by Man Erg - July 01 2009 at 08:20

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 08:44
I want to say that Madonna's use of the cone bra actually had a big influence on Peter Gabriel.  After years of writing pop music Mr. Gabriel's sighting of Madonna in the cone bra brought back fond memories of his days of elaborate stage costumes from when he sung for the prog band Genesis.  Seeing her in the cone bra made him long for those days again and thus the change in his later albums to a more progressive style. Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 11:07
Talking of that cone bra: What was that band that had that singer with the eye patch?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2009 at 17:44
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Are not you aware of Madonna's underground demos? Her 80's material is nothing but a "director's cut" of her true music: everybody knows she loves jamming with her musicians and recording some weiiiiird electro-jazz-funk improvisations, making think of both Kraftwerk (they're in PA!) and Miles Davis (he's in it too!).
What you hear on the radio is just a radio-friendly edit of 15 minutes funky kraut-rock pieces!

I still remember seeing one of her first live performances in 1981, back when she was covering "Tanzmusik", then Magma's "Tröller Tanz"! A great show.
 
Iīm glad to see your reply. Thanks for your opinion, this seems a fun thread even Michel Jacsonīs one remained  a week in the prog lounge. Big smile
 
Yes, I wanted initially to emphasize that fact youīve just insist so good before: The love Madonna showed in making jams with her DJīs, which resulted in some very interesting songs with evident progPOP movements, or with continous changes. These changes in the FIRST MADONNAīS ALBUM gives it a huge dancing and electro funk (well said CPicard, Wink) atmosphere that goes progressing along nearly all the tracks. After this, I īdonīt find Madonnaīs career interesant for me cauze there are poppy albums. nothing more.
 
But this one, is a perfect sample of the conjuction of several factors since pop-rock ītil the jamming and progresive movements. An album that anybody must listen to before daring to comment any type of harmful arguments, just to avoid sound ridiculous. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2009 at 11:43
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

Talking of that cone bra: What was that band that had that singer with the eye patch?
I'm not sure of a singer, but Richard Williams from Kansas wears an eyepatch.

Edited by rushfan4 - July 09 2009 at 11:46
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