Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Negoba wrote: Guilty or not (and I'm afraid he probably was because of the fact that over 90% of accused are, proven data from people who study abusive relationships) the man was a very troubled human being with a distorted sense of reality.  Thriller was the first album I owned and I lip-synced and tried to dance to it just as millions of others did. I hope he finds peace now, and that what had been so twisted can be healed.   But we should name mental sickness for what it is. And yes I am the father of two small children. And yes I deal with real abuse victims in my job. I do not wish vengeance or hate on perpetrators, just hope beyond reason for healing. Sometimes it happens.

he was acquitted...  f**king with children is not like murder. Everyone kills in their own way and we are a species of killers.  We also though have very soft spots in our hearts for children. 


If was guilty.. no amount of fame would have got him off.   Sounded like extortion for me.  Michael made some bad choices.... he was Jacko....sleeping with young kids is wacked out...  but is not illegal.  He never was more than a grown up child.  If it had been more.....had been sexual... he would have rotted in a cell.

To hell with name or money 

Negoba wrote: I only have experience with mentally ill and their patterns of behavior. I have no more facts on Jackson than anyone else, but sadly delusional disorders occur in the very powerful quite frequently. I have no idea what actual happened but the guy clearly took advantage of a huge differential in monetary power to do things that were to satisfy his own need (which at most forgiving was a Peter Pan complex) at least as much as to help the children involved. I'll try to find the study, but if you work with kids especially, they just can't sustain good stories. There are a few fake abuse cases, but they almost always fall apart under scrutiny. True stories keep producing details that fit together into a consistent picture the majority of the time. Children under ten especially just can't hold a lie together when talking to those who are trained in these things. Which unfortunately leaves the 90%.   Spousal abuse is probably close as well, but the part that doesn't always come out is that the relationships are mutually abusive. Chemicals are often involved. It doesn't make it ok for the one with more power (usually physical) to use that power to exert their will over the weaker.

It is true that kids can't contain stories; however, what the grown-ups make out of them is a completely different tale. It was this disproportion which led to many false accusations.
However, there is something else which just came to my mind about Jacko's death which led me to write this fictitious dialogue:

Record Mogul One: "Have you heard the news? Jacko is about to make a comeback".
Record Mogul Two: "Oh no; this will be the disaster of the year! The man is fifty now and has been out of business for years"!
One: "Yeah, I know, but don't you think his fans will queue to buy that record"?
Two: "What fans? The man had fans more than a decade ago when he was still young. Do you really think a middle-aged Mum wants to see an aged Jacko with a face that hardly holds together tottering the moonwalk"?
One: "Hm, you have a point there. But we can hardly talk him out of it".
Pause.
Two: "I have an idea. Remember Buddy Holly"?
One: "Sure I do; what about him"?
Two: "Well, he kind of became a legend after his plane crash"...
Pause.
One: "You mean..."?
Two:  "Yeah. Bump him off! I can already see the headlines: 'Tragic death, just before his come-back", "Only the Beatles were greater", "The Mozart of the 20th century". His back-catalogue sales will skyrocket, and I am pretty sure there still is some as yet unpublished archive material around somewhere. We can publish that later, save on the production costs and cash in twice on him that way".
One: "Well, now there's an idea"...

The news here are very suspicious.

1. The hospital has reported apparently thet before he collapsed he received a Demerol Injection
2. "The major hazard of Demerol is respiratory depression. To a lesser degree, other risks are circulatory depression; respiratory arrest, shock, and cardiac arrest". http://www.drugabusehelp.com/drugs/demerol/
3. The injection was placed by a doctor who was in Jackson's house
4. The doctor's car has been towed from Jackson's house to search for drugs
5. The doctor has vanished

Something smells bad.

hahahhahahah... I KNEW IT....  a stunt by Jacko...  ride the wave of selling out his back catalog and kick back with the kiddies on a desert island. 


let me the first to say it...


JACKO LIVES!!!!!!!!!!! 

his lawyer was all over the news today saying how he had warned Jackson about his use of prescription drugs.

When I was younger I dug some of his music and no reason for me not dig it now, cos some of it kicks ass IMO.
RIP dude.

If there's anyone with the means and motive to fake his own death, this would be the guy.

Incredibly unlikely but... you never know

I don't think it would be possible these days to fake a death when you have the body

micky wrote: he was acquitted...  f**king with children is not like murder. Everyone kills in their own way and we are a species of killers.  We also though have very soft spots in our hearts for children.  If was guilty.. no amount of fame would have got him off.   Sounded like extortion for me.  Michael made some bad choices.... he was Jacko....sleeping with young kids is wacked out...  but is not illegal.  He never was more than a grown up child.  If it had been more.....had been sexual... he would have rotted in a cell. To hell with name or money

Sleeping with young kids is not illegal? I guess you mean having them sleep over, in your own bed, with nothing sexual happening. Maybe that's true ... but it's also a *really* crazy thing to do, especially in his position: an - at least back then - incredibly wealthy celebrity.

And as for the judicial system: O.J. ... 'nuff said.