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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 19:26
I'm perfectly content with the music of my generation. To be honest, I'm a bit baffled as to why people get so irritated by such trivial matters - who cares what Joe Average likes? If he happens to like 'modern R&B', well, good for him. If he happens to like prog, well, more power to you Joe. Either way, what's it to me? Why should I care? As long as 'good' music (in other words; music that I happen to like) is being made in some form, I've got nothing to complain about. Besides, if Rihanna and the like were to disappear, it's not as if the kids would suddenly find their inner prog-nerd and start jamming to Koenjihyakkei - such transitions are not realistic, and thus are not exactly relevant to this topic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2009 at 22:24
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

I'm glad to hear there are many young people of today who have a brain and a good taste in music. I personally find very insulting that prog music has no support from the industry, and low class sound like the popular stuff of today is blasted all over the environment, pulluting the airwaves and destroying any hope for humanity as we know it. Thanks guys, for keeping the tourch of "Real Music" alive and carring it to the next generation. There should be and award for all of you, youngsters of today, who stand for yourselves and don't let the decadent music industry fill your brains, hearts and souls with garbage.


Hey everyone, didn't you know that listening to popular music automatically makes you a dumbass?
I guess I must be a real dumbass because lately I've been listening to the song Decode by Paramore about 5 times a day.
I must be a real retard because I quite enjoy Linkin Park's debut album.
I guess I have to apologize for not listening to "real music" non stop.

Seriously, I don't know how people look at themselves in the mirror and can honestly say they believe in that elitist crap.
I have all sorts of stuff in music collection from progressive technical death metal, 20 th century classical music to pop rock and you know what?
It's all good sh*t to me and the pop music I do like, I genuinely like it because I enjoy the music, not because x radio station or y tv commercial has told me it's trendy.
Sometimes I'm just not in the mood for an epic classical composition, or for listening to a full on technical death metal assault and just want to throw on some Paramore, be it the emo power pop rock that it is.
Is that a crime?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2009 at 01:03
Listening to Paramore should be a crime.

And if you take the lyrics of pop/rap seriously, then yes, I do think you are stupid.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2009 at 01:27
^I can stomach several albums of Merzbow in one day.
You can't even handle one, pussy:P
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2009 at 01:38
Either way you slice it, you're still listening to new music. That is the true error.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2009 at 01:41
Those kids and their sex, marijuana, Jazz, hitch-hiking, and tolerance...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2009 at 04:45
OK, I should gave up, either be more tollerant, or still think this and keep it for  myself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2009 at 21:03
Originally posted by MartyMcFly89 MartyMcFly89 wrote:

I live in 200k city. I'm talking about that when going thru city and only musical style that I can see is hip hop. All these flat-cap wearers, baggy trouser wearers and, what is the worst thing, having their music on mobile phones turned out loud.

I don't know why but this annoys me. I wouldn't like to see rockers doing the same thing, but they don't. Metallists have sometimes their music turned out loud, for example in buses, and electronic listeners too - trance, dance, techno.

And I don't listen to radio, ,except prog radios & I don't watch TV. I understand they can be goodness in hop-hop music, but how am I supposed to get thru the wraps that makes me puke ?



How do you do it with Prog ?
As far as fashion , I figure you're not taking notice of most other people that don't dress like that. There were a lot of teenagers wearing plaid in the early 90s with the grunge thing. But not everyone was into it past a few groups in that scene. Many just wore their generation's "uniform" and thought nothing more of it. And many wore a different one.
Loud music - God forbid we have young people who can't understand why their loud music  would bother others !

Radio - ??????????? Corporate concentration killed that baby a long time ago. Most people don't listen to terrestrial radio. Most now get XM/Sirius, use an MP3 player, or play CDs. The rest - well, they can't be bothered to remember that guy who sang that good song that they liked last year. Here today, gone tomorrow. Hasn't changed in Centuries.
If you can listen to prog radio, why worry about the rest ?

In summary, what are you worried about, and why ? Others choose to listen, dress, and behave as they choose to. As they always have. and always will.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2009 at 23:38
The thing that annoys me the most is how popular culture gets thrown in my face all day long by the tv, radio, advertisements, etc. Even people, thanks to t shirts, cell phones, mp3 players, and even their taste in fashion makes me think of them as walking billboards at times. I know that none of that changes the person themselves, some of  the smartest, nicest people I know are "guilty" of liking pop music. But the fact that I only am able to listen to the music I like (btw Jimbo, thanks for mentioning Koenjihyakkei, they sound great) by sites like this. If it weren't for PA, my musical taste would be completely different. I know that prog isn't radio or consumer friendly. But it is kind of sad that we can watch all the sports we want, but there isn't a channel dedicated to Monty Python or something similar. No, old stuff doesn't sell, unless it has "The Beatles" or "Elvis Presley" on the front, especially stuff that is deemed "weird", but It does annoy me that it is virtually inaccessible from where I live.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2009 at 13:59
Originally posted by MartyMcFly89 MartyMcFly89 wrote:

Ivan, how are you doing this that you can present us great story all the time ? It's very interesting to read them.

 
Simple, because I have 44 years and lived, heard or read a lot of stories (Love to  read). LOL In some years you'll be able to know many more, buit you won't be happy because it will mean you're closer to being old. Confused
 
Found a short version of the story.
 
Quote THE MIGHTY HANDFUL
VERSUS THE REST OF THE WORLD

 
 
Had the five Russian composers who made up The Mighty Handful been less stubborn, they could have been playing indoors - indeed, one of the ballrooms of the Winter Palace had already been placed at their disposal. They were offered Brussels lace coverlets for goal-netting, extra chandeliers for floodlighting and wigged servants for corner flags. Such a luxurious all-weather pitch, with every facility, would have cost them only a couple of waltzes each, but they’d refused.
      ‘We’re Nationalist composers,’ piped up Cui. ‘We don’t do waltzes.’
      Rimsky-Korsakov - who was to orchestral colouring what a chameleon is to tropical undergrowth - suggested a compromise set of Polish-style mazurkas.
      Waltzes,’ the Court Chamberlain insisted. ‘Strauss-style.’
      The rest is history. Throughout the winter season The Mighty Handful were forced to play their five-a-side home games in a local park where, from October onwards, the snow fell thickly, and daily. Blizzards were frequent.
 
Ron Butlin
 
My remembering were vague Cui was the most porud, not Mussorgsky, the reference to Vienna was read on another version of the story
 
Thanks for your comment.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2009 at 14:00
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Listening to Paramore should be a crime.

And if you take the lyrics of pop/rap seriously, then yes, I do think you are stupid.


I agree with you there...

I listen to hip hop quite a bit.  but i think with 95% of rap artists it's not worth listening to the lyrics at all.  In general i would say that on the albums from REALLY good hip hop artists (i could name some if you wanted me to)  there are MAYBE 1 or 2 songs where the lyrics are actually heartfelt. 

The thing i do not like with mainstream hip hop and pop is the celebritism.  Most of the popular [pop]artists out there are not responsible for the music they make.  So when you say 'thier music is good'  (meaning the beat etc.) you have to know who actually made the beat which is usually a different person on each track of an album.  The thing about my generation (i'm 18) is that the kids just listen to what is popular and idolize the musicians for no apparent reason, since they arae not the ones with the actual talent. 

Most of our generation blindly listens to music without actually wanting to enjoy it.... they simply listen to what other people listen to to become popular..

however. to those that say there has not been any real musical breakthroughs recently.  i say you are very wrong.  There are more and more people who are using the net to create music for smaller audiences and many musicians making music that they actually want to.  there are countless inovations out there but you have to look to the underground.. none of it has made it to the pop charts... yet
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2009 at 18:05
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

The thing that annoys me the most is how popular culture gets thrown in my face all day long by the tv, radio, advertisements, etc. Even people, thanks to t shirts, cell phones, mp3 players, and even their taste in fashion makes me think of them as walking billboards at times. I know that none of that changes the person themselves, some of  the smartest, nicest people I know are "guilty" of liking pop music. But the fact that I only am able to listen to the music I like (btw Jimbo, thanks for mentioning Koenjihyakkei, they sound great) by sites like this. If it weren't for PA, my musical taste would be completely different. I know that prog isn't radio or consumer friendly. But it is kind of sad that we can watch all the sports we want, but there isn't a channel dedicated to Monty Python or something similar. No, old stuff doesn't sell, unless it has "The Beatles" or "Elvis Presley" on the front, especially stuff that is deemed "weird", but It does annoy me that it is virtually inaccessible from where I live.


what country do you live in where you are forced to sit in front of a TV, or a radio and listen to a station not of your choosing ?
As for weird not being popular, you mention Monty Python. Do you know of a comedian named Robin Williams ?
Do you remember a TV show called San Pedro Beach Bums ? Have you heard of a comedy troop by the name of The Kids in the Hall ? Can you explain Coltrane's enduring attraction to musos ? Have you done a thesis on why people don't care to hear any other Bay City Rollers tune except Saturday Night ?

My belief, opinion if you will, is that you need to lighten up, expand your horizons, and your reading.
Much "popular" culture does not last longer than the moment. And much supposedly "uncommercial" entertainment has managed to not only survive but thrive

A few examples - Classic Rock Radio : (PM me if you need the band name)  Roundabout, Aqualung, Locomotive Breath, Think as a Brick (single edit),  Money, Brain Damage, Welcome to the Machine, Wish you were Here, Another Brick in the Wall (PT I, II, & III. Played together), 21st Century Schizoid Man, Pull Me Under, Sober, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, Closer to the Heart, Spirit of Radio, Limelight, Dreamer, Bloody Well Right, Give a Little Bit, Fool's Overture, Point of Know Return, Carry on Wayward Son, ilent Lucidity, Empire.
Then you have the community and college radio stations that play more obscure stuff, not to mention networks like Canada's CBC that has up to ten hours a week of experimental music that can include acts like Richard Thompson to Fred Frith to canadian acts like Arcade Fire or Voivod.

But of course, I could be wrong. It could be that very little outside the mainstream really surfaces in day to day life. But that would contradict what I see, read, & listen to on a daily basis. But then , I feel free to do so.
Rap, Pop & Dance music may be found in a lot of places. But don't ask me for specifics, because I don't leave my radio to those stations. Nor any station for that matter. I have CDs, MP3s and LPs.
On TV, I use my remote control to access the channels that interest me. And when my daughter or wife watch something that I don't care for , they allow me the option of not watching it, and doing something else.

I also see & hear teenages that are into music from 2, 3, 4 decades ago. Just as a lot of us were. Some stay within limited musical genres. And maybe it's just that they don't know any better, but they really don't seem to spend too much time whining that their preferred music doesn't dominate radio or TV. Mostly because they also have LPs. CDs, and MP3s of their beloved musical acts. And they also use their TV remotes to watch TV shows, and DVDs that they like.

Might be that they don't understand the torture they should feel. But then I could be wrong.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2009 at 20:01
First things first. KoS, you're avatar is...Censored. I'm so distracted.

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(to thread author:)

Second things Second, I'm 21,

I was listening to Jimi Hendrix's Hey Baby, but then WMP switched to Video Killed the Radio Star (the girl is going O-o-oh). My various artists is quite diverse Embarrassed

So you see, this has been going on from before our time. The forces that made Prog (and other genres) are linked to the modernist tendencies that peaked in the late 60s, while music as a whole was brought in line with Postmodernist and pessimistic mass consciousness that you also see in all fields of art and social intercourse.

That's the long and short and moderate length of it.

Good news: various artists just picked Hawkwind's cover of Cymbaline (More, PF)




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2009 at 20:08
What you got is freedom of choice.
what you want is freedom from choice (for you or the others?)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2009 at 08:36
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

What you got is freedom of choice.
what you want is freedom from choice (for you or the others?)


What I want is freedom of choice for others who do not that know that there is actually GOOD music out there if they simply forget about listening to what is popular just to become popular.  However I also think some people listen to some crappy underground bands just to get in with that crowd.  What you really have to do is search the net for the music that you most enjoy... leading you to a group of peers where you don't have to pose. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2009 at 15:59
I hope I die before I get old

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2009 at 20:22
Originally posted by hitting_singularity2 hitting_singularity2 wrote:

Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

What you got is freedom of choice.
what you want is freedom from choice (for you or the others?)


What I want is freedom of choice for others who do not that know that there is actually GOOD music out there if they simply forget about listening to what is popular just to become popular.  However I also think some people listen to some crappy underground bands just to get in with that crowd.  What you really have to do is search the net for the music that you most enjoy... leading you to a group of peers where you don't have to pose. 

Hence why I am here Big smileBig smile
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Listening to what is popular ? Maybe it became popular because a certain amount of people like it ? No that wouldn't work, now would it. After all, look how dominant classical music is. And just about every western civilization country has had its' public broadcaster play the bejesus out of the stuff  until this new century.
If I listen to Tool or VDGG  just to be popular with people at PA, am i still a poser ?
Yes, some people listen to some music to fit in with a group. Or is it that the group that they are part of listens to that music ? This does happen with prog , maybe ?

AS for your last point - if you find music that you most enjoy on the radio or TV, why would you need to search the net ? I know people who listen to nothing else that XM/Sirius stations. At home & in the car. For What ? For the songs from artists that they don't hear anywhere else. AND IT"S NOT EVEN PROG MUSIC THAT THEY"RE LISTENING TO. Others load their MP3 players. With what ? Music they enjoy.

Please, a music fanatic will enjoy spending time searching for lesser know treasures. And these "fans" include punk rockers, bluegrass, metal, NWOBHM, reggae, country & western, swing and many other genres. But most music listeners have ready access to the music they want (important point there - WANT) to hear.

SO , get off the cross, someone else needs the wood.

And if you're going to do anything, share your love of music, prog or other. Dismissing others' taste because they don't match yours, or because "their" music seems to be more visible in public, or your general culture is as bad as if someone dismissed yours for being prog.

Get a life (so sayeth William Shatner, so sayeth the rest).

Oh no, I'm forced to watch the weather. But I only like rain. Damn
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2009 at 20:30
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Have you heard of a comedy troop by the name of The Kids in the Hall ?

Loved Kids In The Hall,  Second City TV (especially Farm Film Celebrity Blowup LOL), too.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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I'm only 16 years old, but as far as I know the majority of people have always liked to listen to simple music.
I think the explanation for the simple music of today being crap is that we have more technologic possibilities, why should you put lots of effort in learning to play an instrument if you can make music on your computer? So, instead of pop music with some guitars and stuff we now get pop music with bleepy sounds and computerized beats, which easily changes from pop to dance or even worse. People of my age grow up with this music. They watch MTV that only plays the popular music, so they often don't know anything about real music, and when they do they won't listen to it because it isn't cool.

In the end I don't really mind everybody is listening to crap like the Jonas Brothers and Justin Timberlake, I've got PF, Genesis and VDGG all for myself.Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2009 at 15:07
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by MartyMcFly89 MartyMcFly89 wrote:

Ivan, how are you doing this that you can present us great story all the time ? It's very interesting to read them.

 
Simple, because I have 44 years and lived, heard or read a lot of stories (Love to  read). LOL In some years you'll be able to know many more, buit you won't be happy because it will mean you're closer to being old. Confused
 
Found a short version of the story.
 
Quote THE MIGHTY HANDFUL
VERSUS THE REST OF THE WORLD

 
 
Had the five Russian composers who made up The Mighty Handful been less stubborn, they could have been playing indoors - indeed, one of the ballrooms of the Winter Palace had already been placed at their disposal. They were offered Brussels lace coverlets for goal-netting, extra chandeliers for floodlighting and wigged servants for corner flags. Such a luxurious all-weather pitch, with every facility, would have cost them only a couple of waltzes each, but they’d refused.
      ‘We’re Nationalist composers,’ piped up Cui. ‘We don’t do waltzes.’
      Rimsky-Korsakov - who was to orchestral colouring what a chameleon is to tropical undergrowth - suggested a compromise set of Polish-style mazurkas.
      Waltzes,’ the Court Chamberlain insisted. ‘Strauss-style.’
      The rest is history. Throughout the winter season The Mighty Handful were forced to play their five-a-side home games in a local park where, from October onwards, the snow fell thickly, and daily. Blizzards were frequent.
 
Ron Butlin
 
My remembering were vague Cui was the most porud, not Mussorgsky, the reference to Vienna was read on another version of the story
 
Thanks for your comment.
 
Iván
 
I get the impression that Rimsky - Korsakov was the most diplomatic of the Mighty Handful, and the one who was the closest of the 5 MH to mainstream classical (romantic) music, but it's good to see that even he had to draw the line there LOL
 
Wonderful story, Iván, and I'm always surprised how much even in classical music composers were distancing themselves from each other, for artistic reasons.
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