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Johnny_Tsunami 
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 Posted: June 11 2009 at 15:39 |
Daniel Gildenlow is not as bad as Labrie, and I actually think that Russell Allen's voice is better than Gildenlow's (not a fan of his falsetto at all). I've just never been able to find somebody that doesn't make it sound corny. The only time I enjoy operatic vocals is when they're female. Something about a solid operatic female vocalist stirs my loins! The only male that sings quasi-operatic that I enjoy a great deal is Tim Bowness of No-Man. But he's still more on the contemporary side. Hmm, I guess Roy Khan of Kamelot also makes the band what it is, and they are a pretty decent group.
So I guess I retract my statement of saying that it has no place in rock/metal music. But I still stand by my sentiments and say that I rarely find it adding a positive characteristic to the music haha!
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topofsm
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Posted: June 11 2009 at 16:46 |
 Alitare wrote:
Ahaha. I actually really love falsetto when it is implemented well. Which means I don't like Labrie's. But, I absolutely love Gildenlow's vocals. It is a style. I get the same from people who dislike death growling. It is a style, and it evokes a mood. Why should we limit the mood of music in general by disallowing bands to utilize a mood crafter? "No place"? Why? Just because you don't like it? It is a band's choice to do or not to do as they please. Even if I dislike a vocal style, I am glad it exists, if for no other reason than to enhance and expand upon the overall musical palette I am able to subject myself to. |
Of course, what is the point of LaBrie's completely over-the-top vibrato when performing live?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 11 2009 at 17:55 |
Wait, I know, redo one of their albums using all kazoos? 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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KoS
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Posted: June 11 2009 at 18:18 |
Kazooki Theater nice. 
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himtroy
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Posted: June 11 2009 at 18:48 |
Put out better music.
Personal suggestion
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The Quiet One
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Joined: January 16 2008
Location: Argentina
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Posted: June 11 2009 at 18:51 |
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Bring back Derek!!!!!!!!
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KingCrimson250
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Posted: June 11 2009 at 18:53 |
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Bring back Charlie!!!!!!!
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The Quiet One
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Posted: June 11 2009 at 18:57 |
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: June 11 2009 at 19:31 |
The Quiet One wrote:
Bring back Derek!!!!!!!!
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Bring back Kevin!!!!!!!! 
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mirco
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 11:03 |
Bring back Leroy Brown 
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Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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progkidjoel
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Joined: March 02 2009
Location: Australia
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 00:24 |
DEFINITELY BRING BACK KEVIN MOORE!
I don't know how I didn't think of that... He's needed now more than ever though...
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Location: Ukraine
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 03:39 |
crimson87 wrote:
mirco wrote:
Just a line to say that I sense a great deal of unfairness towards DT. Probably the most trashed band ever. |
They would be the second one behind ELP
What do they need to do? I mean they are the kings of progressive metal , sure their latest albums weren't that good but I have hope the new one can be as good as ToT.
I don't think that can "solve" their problem since the band is not the same after Kevin Moore left. The guy was all about athmospere and the best composer of the band , Rudess on the other hand likes to have solo spots. Those are different styles that affect the quality of the compositions. |
WERE the kings of progressive metal. It's not the 90s anymore dude. You ever been on a metal forum that wasn't the Dream Theater forum? People don't talk about DT much anymore. I hear far more people talking about Between the Buried and Me, Gojira and Meshuggah than Dream Theater nowadays. They are no longer as relevant in the prog metal world as they were in the 90s/early 00s.
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mirco
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 07:14 |
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I donīt care for the popularity of the band, my concern is about the animosity against it from some folks. And not just here in the forum, i mean in general. Sure isnīt the best band ever, but they are professionals giving their best effort in order to make the music they are able to do, and that deserve some respect. In mi humble opinion.
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Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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Visitor13
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 12:43 |
Welcome back mirco
mirco wrote:
I donīt care for the popularity of the band, my concern is about the animosity against it from some folks. And not just here in the forum, i mean in general. Sure isnīt the best band ever, but they are professionals giving their best effort in order to make the music they are able to do, and that deserve some respect. In mi humble opinion. |
Actually this I don't agree with at all. As far as I'm concerned they've been pretty much winging it for the last four albums at least. And even before that, I wouldn't call their music fully 'professional'. Basically they were lucky in creating a largish and very stable market and are now reaping the rewards with very little effort.
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mirco
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 14:39 |
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Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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micky
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 17:02 |
what does DT need to do? sure there are 6 pages of suggestions... none better than this. try something different... amazing how much more they'd be respected by more fans of prog if ...they were actually progressive... and progressed. Used that prodigious talent and did SOMETHING with it. sure that is opinion... but it is what it is. Fans of the group will happy if continue to churn out the same worn out prog-metal... for fans of prog. There is.. or should be .. a notion of exploration and pushing the ceiling. A problem with prog is that notion is lost.. and has become genrified. It is prog... but is anything but progressive. Come on DT... it is time to put the stamp on your career... try a musical version of the Ramayana. Make it a 5 star Prog-Folk Metal end to their career haha. I'd actually give it 5 stars just for the effort.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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hitting_singularity2
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 18:31 |
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 19:20 |
micky wrote:
what does DT need to do?
sure there are 6 pages of suggestions... none better than this.
try something different... amazing how much more they'd be respected by more fans of prog if ...they were actually progressive... and progressed. Used that prodigious talent and did SOMETHING with it.
sure that is opinion... but it is what it is. Fans of the group will happy if continue to churn out the same worn out prog-metal... for fans of prog. There is.. or should be .. a notion of exploration and pushing the ceiling. A problem with prog is that notion is lost.. and has become genrified. It is prog... but is anything but progressive.
Come on DT... it is time to put the stamp on your career... try a musical version of the Ramayana. Make it a 5 star Prog-Folk Metal end to their career haha. I'd actually give it 5 stars just for the effort.
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Alitare
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 20:22 |
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They need to do a cover of Frank Sinatra's "Sings For Only The Lonely"
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crimson87
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 03 2008
Location: Argentina
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 20:30 |
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
crimson87 wrote:
mirco wrote:
Just a line to say that I sense a great deal of unfairness towards DT. Probably the most trashed band ever. |
They would be the second one behind ELP
What do they need to do? I mean they are the kings of progressive metal , sure their latest albums weren't that good but I have hope the new one can be as good as ToT.
I don't think that can "solve" their problem since the band is not the same after Kevin Moore left. The guy was all about athmospere and the best composer of the band , Rudess on the other hand likes to have solo spots. Those are different styles that affect the quality of the compositions. |
WERE the kings of progressive metal.
It's not the 90s anymore dude. You ever been on a metal forum that wasn't the Dream Theater forum? People don't talk about DT much anymore.
I hear far more people talking about Between the Buried and Me, Gojira and Meshuggah than Dream Theater nowadays. They are no longer as relevant in the prog metal world as they were in the 90s/early 00s.
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Even if they are way past their prime I think they still are the most popular band of the prog metal subgenre , to give you an example ; an average DT show in Argentina has an attendance of 15000 people , whereas Opeth last concert that took place a month ago just had 3500 people attending.
Of course there are much more interesting bands nowadays but as regards record sales and popularity no one touches them , they even may be the most popular prog band of the last 20 years.
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