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    Posted: June 08 2009 at 13:35
well?

personally, i think they would benefit from throwing a little jazz into their mix of prog rock/metal. im not saying they should have walking basslines everywhere and screaming sax, but adding a little jazz vocabulary and voicing would make their music a little more interesting. Im saying more of the fusion influence than "traditional" jazz. Maybe even throw in some funky lines (you knoow they can do it)

on the other hand, i could see them royally F**king it up, and going for cliche chord progressions and obvious Charlie Parker licks on guitar. "we wear our influences on our sleeeeeeves!!"

i think they should check out their ex-mates band Planet X for inspiration, or Garaj Mahal. Id say other (older) fusion artists, but the band knows these bands, they listen to them. or maybe they dont because "we wear our influences on our sleeeeeeves!!"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 13:56
I could see them doing some jazz "interludes" the same way Transatlantic did, but as a direction of the band that would seem weird to me. If anything, it would be interesting seeing them do something purely atmospheric, a la Sigur Ros...I long to see Petrucci just going nuts with feedback and distortion, creating textures with effects instead of so many precisely-executed scales...

Although, It's strange to me to speculate about what a band "should" do - unless it's a member of the band making that speculation - they should do whatever they feel good about doing, and hopefully challenge themselves and their listeners along the way. It's another thing to think of a specific goal, such as, what do they need to do to win a bigger audience, or what do they need to do for their music to be more enjoyable to me personally (for me it would involve dropping all of the double-kick stuff, and more soulful soloing)...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 14:12
For a start, they should get a bassist.

They should look somewhere more interesting for inspiration. Petrucci used to be able to play surprisingly decent Holdsworth-style solos. I wouldn't mind an album of songs in the style of "Trail of Tears" (never going to happen, I know).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 14:25
And you have to discuss this two weeks before the album is released because ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 14:30
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

And you have to discuss this two weeks before the album is released because ...


Because there is still time to implement the changes we suggest Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 14:39
They should try writing lyrics to a song first, then come up with music that fits.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 15:20
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

well? I don't understand why is only this band the one people are always trying to change.... If you don't enjoy it, DON'T LISTEN. DON'T BUY. THERE ARE 3874329837293871983719 other bands that may give you exactly what YOU want. Or better yet, START YOUR OWN BAND.

personally, i think they would benefit from throwing a little jazz into their mix of prog rock/metal. I also think Frank Zappa would be more interesting for me if he had thrown some black metal and hip/hop influences into their music. Sadly, he didn't do it. he didn't please me!!! im not saying they should have walking basslines everywhere and screaming sax, but adding a little jazz vocabulary and voicing would make their music a little more interesting. Im saying more of the fusion influence than "traditional" jazz. Maybe even throw in some funky lines (you knoow they can do it) I understand your desire to get these things. and your observation is very detailed. But the band you see is the band you'll get.

on the other hand, i could see them royally F**king it up, and going for cliche chord progressions and obvious Charlie Parker licks on guitar. "we wear our influences on our sleeeeeeves!!"
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i think they should check out their ex-mates band Planet X for inspiration, or Garaj Mahal. Id say other (older) fusion artists, but the band knows these bands, they listen to them. or maybe they dont because "we wear our influences on our sleeeeeeves!!"
 
 
 
I'd suggest you understand the fact that these people (DT) are 40 years old and they don't need to adapt themselves for the needs of younger generations or of anybody for that matter. If they don't play what you think they should play, it will always be like that. So I suggest instead of suffering because they " wear their influences on their sleeeeeves" why don't you buy records you actually enjoooooooy?
 
I just don't understand why this happens only with DT...
 
maybe because people realize the talent they have and wish they played more to their tastes... or even because commercial success breeds hate and jealosy... I have no idea.... I've yet to understand why... apparently, DT is in the mouth of everybody here, haters or lovers....  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 15:31
Which is exactly why I am only a casual fan. Kinda like them, kinda don't. I'd never ask a band to do what I want. I mean, what I want, in the end, could be worse than what they give me, for me. What the hell do I know? I am not them.

At any rate, I preferred their I&W-SDOIT era, and nothing else really got to me. I don't expect anything else they make in the future to appeal to me, and that's ok. I fully agree with T. Now for some VDGG.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 15:37
^that makes sense. Believe me, I could start 92871 threads like "What does The Mars Volta need to do?" (and my answer would be get rid of the drummer and drop the caffeinne...but that's another story)... what would be the point?
 
Let's enjoy artists for what they are. Yes, let's criticize them, let's give opinions on their music... But let's quit this day-dreaming about how ideal they could be if they only played exactly like we, hardly musicians most of us, like them to play.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 16:43
If DT does that with Rudess send me a PM guys!! I would really love to hear a more chill-out band, just like in Falling Into Infinity, Derek's jazzy tones are superb, even though they were few and shadowed in the mix!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 17:01
It's so obvious, disco!!! Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 17:03
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Yes, let's criticize them, let's give opinions on their music... But let's quit this day-dreaming about how ideal they could be if they only played exactly like we, hardly musicians most of us, like them to play.


Now that's not fair at all. You bash people for singling out Dream Theater, and then you go ahead and start specifically targeting Yes? Unbelievable LOL

I think Dream Theater needs to do acid. And maybe spend some time bumming around India. I'll bet that would result in a whole new direction for them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 17:14
LOL No... this applies to all artists....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 17:37
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

maybe because people realize the talent they have and wish they played more to their tastes...
Well that's pretty much it for me, I've seen what they've done in the past and I've seen what they are capable of, so when they come out with the butt metal crap they're coming out with today... of course I'm going to say they should go back to being more progressive and interesting. I've been thinking that they should stress the "progressive" over the "metal" more, which is never what they've done, but I think they could do that well... I'm sure Mike Portnoy would be happy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 17:43
"going back to progressive"

Is it me, or is that statement inherently funny? (No offense to anyone)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 17:43
Originally posted by KingCrimson250 KingCrimson250 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Yes, let's criticize them, let's give opinions on their music... But let's quit this day-dreaming about how ideal they could be if they only played exactly like we, hardly musicians most of us, like them to play.


Now that's not fair at all. You bash people for singling out Dream Theater, and then you go ahead and start specifically targeting Yes? Unbelievable LOL

I think Dream Theater needs to do acid. And maybe spend some time bumming around India. I'll bet that would result in a whole new direction for them.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 17:46

1.get rid of Jordan

2.get rid of La Brie

3.focus on the structure of the songs

4.stop making singles

5.shave

6.eggs

7.mil.... no wait, i got carried away...

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sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 17:54
Dream Theater needs to lose the "bad ass" image.  They're almost old enough to qualify for social security.  Very few old men can pull of the bad ass thing.

On that note, I think I should get them to play my son's upcoming second birthday party...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 18:04
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

They're almost old enough to qualify for social security.  Very few old men can pull of the bad ass thing.


 
Precisely... now how many old men have you ever seen change their ways? Wink
 
They will never change.... what we have is what we'll have....
 
If people really want to waste their time thinking how artists should change their styles (because is not that they listen to us anyway), at least do so for younger bands who may actually have change still as a possibility in their bloods....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2009 at 18:10
They should do the same thing a lot of metal bands need to do, in my opinion: back off the solos a little bit. Man, I love solos. Guitar solos and bass solos and drum solos and keyboard solos and everything mixed in between. But I noticed this first with Symphony X and it applies to Dream Theater too. They need to back off the choppy instrumental bits somewhat. Not that they should get rid of them, by any means. But they have proven in the past and even through Systematic Chaos, they have shown that they can write good melodies, well-balanced songs, everything they need to be doing. But they do solo after solo that are written over some special riff just for the jam session that really detracts from the flow and feel of the rest of the song (biggest point in case, In the Name of God). These solos aren't usually a problem, but I just feel like they are so desperate to write big noodles that they sacrifice some of their best songs to do it.

Just my opinion. And it's likely wrong, because I like Mike Patton.
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