Religious lyrics ?

I know other forums which have an even more restrictive policy on posting lyrics or quotes from articles or literary works. It is not just the bad Admins of PA who want to avoid the site getting into trouble. You can believe Ivan (who is a practicing, and very experienced, lawyer) when he says it's not worth the risk.

Just as a sidenote, when a book that included a contribution from me was about to be published, we had to pay about £ 35 each to HarperCollins (the book was a collection of essays on Tolkien, and HarperCollins holds the rights to his work in the UK), because this publisher does not recognise 'fair use' - even for academic purposes.

Slartibartfast wrote: I give up, you can't really talk about religious lyrics without quoting religious lyrics.  And I apologize again if I stepped out of bounds.

I think the objection was quoting an entire song, as opposed to passages.

infandous wrote: While I think it's utterly ridiculous to not be able to post properly attributed and credited lyrics in a forum specifically for discussion purposes with no intent to profit from them, I completely understand the Admin's decision (and certainly the site administrators desire to not have unpleasant and possibly costly legal notices). All art is a result of borrowing, in some form or another, from previous art and artists.  This is the nature of progress in general.  It's not surprising that lawyers and corporations see this as a problem (i.e., how can something be created, and not generate profit?).  A sad commentary on our modern world. (for the record, I have no problem with music and lyrics of my songs being used for anything short of profit......but understand other artists may have different notions)

1. Evolution: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution%20Hoax/evolution_the_big_hoax.htm
2. Homosexuals: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Sodomy/homosexuality_is_a_sin.htm
3. Rock & Roll,  http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Miscellaneous/satanic_roots_of_rock.htm )
4. Insult the Pope http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/satanism_in_the_vatican.htm,
5. The Catholics http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/rcc2-pray.htm  
6. Jehova Witmess http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Jehovah%20Witnesses/jw.htm 
7. Buddhists  http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/New%20Age/newage11.txt 

Plus everybody else, in other words anybody who dares not tot think as them, and they ordered us to remove the quotes from their site, which the site did to avoid problems..

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 01 2009 at 12:42

Raff wrote: Just as a sidenote, when a book that included a contribution from me was about to be published, we had to pay about £ 35 each to HarperCollins (the book was a collection of essays on Tolkien, and HarperCollins holds the rights to his work in the UK), because this publisher does not recognise 'fair use' - even for academic purposes.

Was this TOLKIEN AND MODERNITY I?

Trademark wrote: We can't post lyrics, but using equally protected and copyrighted album covers as avatars is perfectly OK, eh Ivan?  Respect with one hand, take with the other. Life is a funny old dog isn't it.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 01 2009 at 13:35

 

I have no problem with religious lyrics, and can like them, depending on how they're handled.  And if I don't like the music, of course, I won't like the package however the lyrics are, and it will be more likely that the lyrics will rub me the wrong way.

I generally don't want to feel preached to, and music that reminds me of "Born Again" Christian rock is going to be a hard-sell.  I married a born-again Christian and endured far too much of that music during the dating process.  I tended to find the music lacking in subtlety, nuances, and textures.  We've reconciled our religious differences.

I love many traditional hymns, by the way, including more modern takes on them. One of my favourites is Cat Stevens version of Morning has Broken, and I like the Beneath the Planet of the Apes adaptation of "All things bright and beautiful" (the Lord Bomb made them all).

I love academic music with religious overtones and inspiration particularly.  It seems that religion, and spirituality, can inspire such sublime art.


Edited by Logan - June 01 2009 at 15:10

Raff wrote: fuxi wrote: Raff wrote: Just as a sidenote, when a book that included a contribution from me was about to be published, we had to pay about £ 35 each to HarperCollins (the book was a collection of essays on Tolkien, and HarperCollins holds the rights to his work in the UK), because this publisher does not recognise 'fair use' - even for academic purposes. Was this TOLKIEN AND MODERNITY I? No, it was The Mirror Crack'd: Fear and Horror in JRR Tolkien. I'm glad you have seen my other article - though perhaps you think it stinks. Unfortunately, the HarperCollins affair is true, and shows once more what kind of power copyright holders can have.

I found your article through Google, but I can't honestly say I've read it... I spend my days translating Japanese literature, but I'm a Tolkien fan and I live app. 1 kilometre from the house in Northmoor Road where he wrote most of THE LORD OF THE RINGS. It's fascinating that Prog Archives allows you to find so many people with interests similar to your own.

"Jim Morrison, superstar of the Doors, who died "mysteriously" on July 3, 1971 was deeply involved in the occult . Morrison married his wife at a Wicca wedding standing in a pentagram and drinking each others blood."

"He was not a performer. He was not an entertainer. He was not a showman. He was a shaman. He was possessed."

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Makes you happy to be an atheist.

Evolver wrote: infandous wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: I've been totally bitch slapped, say no more say no more say no more. While I think it's utterly ridiculous to not be able to post properly attributed and credited lyrics in a forum specifically for discussion purposes with no intent to profit from them, I completely understand the Admin's decision (and certainly the site administrators desire to not have unpleasant and possibly costly legal notices). All art is a result of borrowing, in some form or another, from previous art and artists.  This is the nature of progress in general.  It's not surprising that lawyers and corporations see this as a problem (i.e., how can something be created, and not generate profit?).  A sad commentary on our modern world. (for the record, I have no problem with music and lyrics of my songs being used for anything short of profit......but understand other artists may have different notions) It's a common practise on Internet forums to not allow posting of complete articles or complete song lyrics.  This is a fact of cyber-life that we all should understand.  And by agreeing to play in this particular playground, we are agreeing to play by their rules.  This is not unreasonable.

I never suggested it was unreasonable.  In fact, I completely understand their reasons for doing it.  I was just stating my opinion about the entire situation of copyright, specifically with regards to music and lyrics.  But I certainly don't expect the admins and owners of this site to be able to fix the problems I see with it.

I have nothing but respect for the creators of this site, and will abide by any and all rules they deem necessary.