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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 16:27
Very well.  The Bible says you might find its message offensive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 16:43
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

 
Thank you.  That's what I thought you meant.
And your articulate response brings us back to the topic at hand.
It is lyrics that say, in the name of any religion, or lack thereof, that a person is, in your metaphor, diseased, if they don't follow The One True Way (TM), that I, and possibly many others who don't like religious lyrics, find offensive. 
LOL.  A religious thread and I almost missed it!
 
(An aside which isn't really an aside because it deals with the main topic:  Strictly religious people would not give much approbation to the actual lyrics that are supposed to be discussed here because they are far too vague and not nearly dogmatic enough.  Inspiration can be nice, but should not be automatically identified as truth.  I think we should consider these lyrics for their artistic merits, not their religious connotations.)
 
Now to answer you response.  It's ok that you feel that way.  My religion teaches me that you are saved by the grace of God, not by anything that I say.  My only responsibility is to testify, and that has already been done in this thread.  So now it's between you and God and let's get back to talking about religious lyrics (which from my aside you should guess I'm not entirely endorsing.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 16:44
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Very well.  The Bible says you might find its message offensive.
 
S'okay.  Some of it is offensive.  Some of it is good.
 
No matter.  I still like you, I've enjoyed this debate, and I look forward to listening to your album. Smile
Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 16:50
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Very well.  The Bible says you might find its message offensive.
 
S'okay.  Some of it is offensive.  Some of it is good.
 
No matter.  I still like you, I've enjoyed this debate, and I look forward to listening to your album. Smile


No problem, buddy.  I think it says a lot when people can argue and still be cool.  The album is on its way, by the way.  There was a delay in getting it sent off (READ: I was lazy. Embarrassed).

Take care- talk to you again sometime!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 16:53
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

LOL.  A religious thread and I almost missed it!
 
(An aside which isn't really an aside because it deals with the main topic:  Strictly religious people would not give much approbation to the actual lyrics that are supposed to be discussed here because they are far too vague and not nearly dogmatic enough.  Inspiration can be nice, but should not be automatically identified as truth.  I think we should consider these lyrics for their artistic merits, not their religious connotations.)
 
Now to answer you response.  It's ok that you feel that way.  My religion teaches me that you are saved by the grace of God, not by anything that I say.  My only responsibility is to testify, and that has already been done in this thread.  So now it's between you and God and let's get back to talking about religious lyrics (which from my aside you should guess I'm not entirely endorsing.)
 
Very well put.  Despite what you may think from the preceding discussion, I do have some religious music in my collection.  I am able to separate the music from the musician. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 16:56
I've always thought living a good life as a Christian testifies more than any amount of proselytizing you can do. Preach by example I guess is the theory I subscribe to.

Anyway, now that this thread is really OT.LOL

Back to the topic, being preachy (not just in a Christian/religious sense either) and not offending people is partly in phrasing. Of course there are many who are just offended by other ppls thought regardless. However, someone who writes "X is good and has improved my life" will get a lot farther than someone who writes "X is good; it's too bad you poor cretins are missing out"


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 19:05
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I know this is sure to offend some:

"Whoever we are
Wherever were from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
Its gonna take a lot more
Than tryin to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether

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Excerpt Frank Zappa Dumb All Over



admin edit: posting full lyrics is a copyright breach, please don't do it.

I didn't quote the whole lyric in my original posting but I guess didn't whack enough out out of it.  Now it has been reduced to meaningless, but what the heck. CryLOL

Apparently the standard is one paragraph only folks, so choose well or an overzealous admin will come along and chop it off.  I see this has happened with all posting of lyrics in this thread.


Edited by Slartibartfast - May 30 2009 at 20:12
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 19:35
I'm not convinced that protecting the site from getting its (metaphorical) pants sued off qualifies as "over-zealous." The Internet's been going mental about that sort of thing lately.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 20:12
Originally posted by KingCrimson250 KingCrimson250 wrote:

I'm not convinced that protecting the site from getting its (metaphorical) pants sued off qualifies as "over-zealous." The Internet's been going mental about that sort of thing lately.

Yeah, perhaps I should limit my quotes to just one sentence or just a couple of words.

Let's try that one again:
"Whoever we are"
Frank Zappa, Dumb All Over, excerpt.

I mean, come on.  There are lots of streaming tracks on here, but they are promptly removed upon the artist's request.  That is sufficient policing to avoid lawsuits.

If you quote something and you are giving proper credit and you don't quote the whole thing, we should be given a bit more latitude until you get an official artist's request to crop the damn thing.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 20:22
You'd think but, well, maybe I'm being a bit over-reactionary. I've just seen sites have issues in the past for that sort of thing and I'd hate to see that happen to PA. I know they've shut down most tab and chord sites, I'm not sure what the deal is with lyrics right now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 20:42
This site is well policed mostly but sometimes someone with admin authority goes a bit too far. 

Edited by Slartibartfast - May 30 2009 at 21:08
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 20:55
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

This site is well policed mostly but sometimes someone with admin authority goes a bit too far. 


Ok birdbrain. I'll put it another way. Post another large chunk of copyrited material on the forum again and I'll over-zealously do whatever it takes to protect the site from you.
Understand?
Damn, I don't do this for the good of my health you know. We are coming more and more under the microscope, but of course your feelings and sense of entitlement are more important.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 21:00
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

This site is well policed mostly but sometimes someone with admin authority goes a bit too far. 
 
He doesn't go to far, there's a post in the Sites Rules and Guidelines called Copyrighted Material a Warning:
 
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

We have recently been obliged to remove a popular and otherwise compliant thread due to it being riddled with the quoting of copyrighted material.
 
We were approached by one of the copyright owners who made it clear in unambiguous terms that legal action would be taken if the quotes were not removed immediately.
 
Members are reminded that they should not include copyrighted material in their forum posts or reviews without the express permission of the owner. This includes lyrics, essays, and all text appearing on other websites, in books, magazines etc. It is usually best to use links to other websites rather than reprint text from them.
 
Members are reminded that they are personally responsible for what they say in their posts and reviews, and as such, may find themselves drawn into any subsequent action which is taken by copyright owners.
 
In other words, WE HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
This are the site's rules, the guy who puts his money for our enjoyment, doesn't want to take risks, and he's entitled to.
 
The administrators have warned us.....What's the problem obeying the rules????????
 
If somebody wants to quote a whole book, better put his own money, open his own site and nobody here will say a word, but as long as this is M@X site, we have to accept M@X and the Administrators rules.
 
Iván
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 21:01
Ok. For the last time. We have been ordered to remove lyrics posted on the forum in the past, so PLEASE restrict lyric-quoting to a few lines. Maybe these people should pick on the millions of lyric sites on the internet, but...

You know, I shouldn't have to go to all this trouble to spell it out.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 21:02
That's exactly it Ivan.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 21:08
Consider this birdbrain well chastised.  Embarrassed But are we talking about a one paragraph limit?

Edited by Slartibartfast - May 30 2009 at 21:24
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 21:17
Who knows? A few sentences might be considered fair use, I've no idea really. All I know is that when we get a legal notice that we have to comply with, we try our best to make sure we aren't put in that position again.

Why members insist on making these wild, and frankly bizarre, claims and accusations against Admin is beyond me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 21:24
Sincere apologies, I was trying to be a little funny and fell flat on my ass.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 21:42
I never knew lyrics were copyrighted to the point that they couldn't be used in a not-for-profit online discussion.
 
Once again, the capitalists are friggin' idiots. You can't own thoughts you farging bastages, no matter how hard you try.
 
Jeez. I get that if I'm profiting using your work, you should get a cut. But to restrict free discussion is lunacy.
 
 
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2009 at 23:55
Well, you know, the lyrics are in the booklet that comes with the album, so if you post them online, then I can read the lyrics without owning the album, and who knows what kinds of problems that could lead to.

I hear that people freely copying lyrics in the newspapers was a major contributor to Hitler's rise to power. These copyright laws may seem absurd, but at least they've kept the US dictator-free.
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