| Author |
 Topic Search  Topic Options
|
KingCrimson250 
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 29 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 573
|
 Posted: May 30 2009 at 11:57 |
|
And both are quite preachy, which I suspect was the whole point of posting them
|
 |
Failcore
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 27 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 4625
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 12:00 |
|
It is true that in general I see much more complaints about religious lyrics than non-religious lyrics. That's how things work on the internet though so I don't pay attention to the phenomenon anymore. Browse DIgg for too long and you pretty much get desensitized to net hypocrisy.
|
|
Tony R
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: July 16 2004
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 11979
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 12:44 |
Please do not copy and paste full lyrics. It is a clear breach of copyrighr and has got us into trouble in the past and will again if this carries on.
|
|
StyLaZyn
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 22 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 4079
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 13:34 |
 Tony R wrote:
Please do not copy and paste full lyrics. It is a clear breach of copyrighr and has got us into trouble in the past and will again if this carries on.
|
My apologies. I should have had better judgment. I can edit the posts if you wish.
|
|
|
|
Epignosis
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: December 30 2007
Location: Raeford, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 32524
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 13:48 |
Evolver wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
It's only God's grace that changed me. |
And you see no implication in this?
Epignosis wrote:
I get no credit for that. |
I believe you sell yourself short.
|
I believe what the Bible teaches, which says the best things I could ever do are but filthy rags to God. But God (the two greatest words in Scripture right there) forgave my sin, and now I get to enjoy the benefits that come only from sharing the yoke of Christ.
I can't imagine it any better than this.
|
|
|
|
Evolver
Special Collaborator
Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams
Joined: October 22 2005
Location: The Idiocracy
Status: Offline
Points: 5482
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 15:34 |
Those are platitudes. Not a response to my question. That's your prerogative.
Epignosis wrote:
I can't imagine it any better than this.
|
I'm sorry.
|
|
Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
|
|
Epignosis
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: December 30 2007
Location: Raeford, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 32524
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 15:40 |
Evolver wrote:
Those are platitudes. Not a response to my question. That's your prerogative.
Epignosis wrote:
I can't imagine it any better than this.
|
I'm sorry. |
Sorry, but you will note that two of your "responses" to things I had to say earlier in this thread included "oh please" and "whatever  ." I don't think you can talk about platitudes. Besides, what I said are not platitudes- they are fundamental tenets of the Christian faith. If you can't appreciate that, then there's nothing more I can say to you.
I'm more interested to know why you seem to have a problem with my faith and that I choose to express the unadulterated message of the Bible through my music.
|
|
|
|
Tony R
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: July 16 2004
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 11979
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 15:43 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Tony R wrote:
Please do not copy and paste full lyrics. It is a clear breach of copyrighr and has got us into trouble in the past and will again if this carries on.
|
My apologies. I should have had better judgment. I can edit the posts if you wish. |
No probs, already done it. 
|
|
Evolver
Special Collaborator
Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams
Joined: October 22 2005
Location: The Idiocracy
Status: Offline
Points: 5482
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 15:48 |
I don't have any problem with your faith. However, I feel that you may have one.
You said "It's only God's grace that's changed me." The implication of that statement is that people who are unchanged by your god are lesser/unblessed/whatever. That's what I mean by putting yourself on a pedestal. It is praching, A truly humble person would have no need to say such things.
|
|
Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
|
|
Evolver
Special Collaborator
Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams
Joined: October 22 2005
Location: The Idiocracy
Status: Offline
Points: 5482
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 15:48 |
|
Sorry for the misspell. I meant preaching.
|
|
Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
|
|
StyLaZyn
Forum Senior Member
Joined: November 22 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 4079
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 15:51 |
Oh humility. What have you done! I would preach but I am not worthy.
I'd rather trust a man who doesn't shout what he's found.
|
|
|
|
Epignosis
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: December 30 2007
Location: Raeford, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 32524
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 15:56 |
Evolver wrote:
I don't have any problem with your faith. However, I feel that you may have one.
You said "It's only God's grace that's changed me." The implication of that statement is that people who are unchanged by your god are lesser/unblessed/whatever. That's what I mean by putting yourself on a pedestal. It is praching, A truly humble person would have no need to say such things.
|
Your "implication" would hold water only if you could tell what in me made God save me.
|
|
|
|
Evolver
Special Collaborator
Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams
Joined: October 22 2005
Location: The Idiocracy
Status: Offline
Points: 5482
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 16:01 |
Epignosis wrote:
Your "implication" would hold water only if you could tell what in me made God save me.
|
Irrelevent. Are people changed by God better in any way than those unchanged?
|
|
Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
|
|
Epignosis
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: December 30 2007
Location: Raeford, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 32524
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 16:03 |
Evolver wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Your "implication" would hold water only if you could tell what in me made God save me.
|
Irrelevent. Are people changed by God better in any way than those unchanged? |
If you had a debilitating and terminal disease, would you be better with it, or without it?
|
|
|
|
Evolver
Special Collaborator
Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams
Joined: October 22 2005
Location: The Idiocracy
Status: Offline
Points: 5482
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 16:05 |
Epignosis wrote:
Evolver wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Your "implication" would hold water only if you could tell what in me made God save me.
|
Irrelevent. Are people changed by God better in any way than those unchanged? |
If you had a debilitating and terminal disease, would you be better with it, or without it?
|
I'm not sure what you are saying.
|
|
Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
|
|
someone_else
Forum Senior Member
VIP Member
Joined: May 02 2008
Location: Going Bananas
Status: Offline
Points: 24283
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 16:07 |
Evolver wrote:
You said "It's only God's grace that's changed me." The implication of that statement is that people who are unchanged by your god are lesser/unblessed/whatever. That's what I mean by putting yourself on a pedestal. It is praching, A truly humble person would have no need to say such things.
|
If someone tells about what God/Jesus has done in his life and telling about His grace, he does not put himself on a pedestal. A humble person may say such things and remain humble, inviting others to join in and respond to God's grace, not giving a sermon.
|
|
|
|
Evolver
Special Collaborator
Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams
Joined: October 22 2005
Location: The Idiocracy
Status: Offline
Points: 5482
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 16:13 |
someone_else wrote:
Evolver wrote:
You said "It's only God's grace that's changed me." The implication of that statement is that people who are unchanged by your god are lesser/unblessed/whatever. That's what I mean by putting yourself on a pedestal. It is praching, A truly humble person would have no need to say such things.
|
If someone tells about what God/Jesus has done in his life and telling about His grace, he does not put himself on a pedestal. A humble person may say such things and remain humble, inviting others to join in and respond to God's grace, not giving a sermon. |
Up until the point the audience is told they are lesser for not accepting God's grace, or going to Hell, or forced to eat at the kiddie table or whatever.
|
|
Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
|
|
Epignosis
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: December 30 2007
Location: Raeford, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 32524
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 16:16 |
Evolver wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Evolver wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Your "implication" would hold water only if you could tell what in me made God save me.
|
Irrelevent. Are people changed by God better in any way than those unchanged? |
If you had a debilitating and terminal disease, would you be better with it, or without it?
|
I'm not sure what you are saying. |
Okay. I'll explain.
I do not believe (as many do) that people are inherently good. The Bible teaches otherwise: "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." In a nutshell, that means nothing I can ever do on my own will please God. The Bible calls sin a disease that results in eternal death. We are all without hope in ourselves.
But God sent Jesus as a sacrifice for the sins of the world. Yours mine, everyone's. Paid and done. Now all that remains is to follow Christ. That means staying devoted to him in all things. Those who accept his payment no longer have to live under the burden of sin, and the Bible says God will keep us and cleanse us of all evil, thereby making us perfect after everything is said and done.
In other words, everyone is morally bankrupt, and there is only one- Jesus Christ- who can save people's lives and instill in them holiness (not just "doing good things-" anybody can do that).
So in that light, a person being treated and eventually cured of a debilitating disease is certainly better off than a person who is not.
|
|
|
|
Epignosis
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: December 30 2007
Location: Raeford, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 32524
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 16:19 |
Evolver wrote:
someone_else wrote:
Evolver wrote:
You said "It's only God's grace that's changed me." The implication of that statement is that people who are unchanged by your god are lesser/unblessed/whatever. That's what I mean by putting yourself on a pedestal. It is praching, A truly humble person would have no need to say such things.
|
If someone tells about what God/Jesus has done in his life and telling about His grace, he does not put himself on a pedestal. A humble person may say such things and remain humble, inviting others to join in and respond to God's grace, not giving a sermon. |
Up until the point the audience is told they are lesser for not accepting God's grace, or going to Hell, or forced to eat at the kiddie table or whatever. |
I guess I should point out that just because you don't find the idea of judgment palatable doesn't make it any less true if it is indeed true.
|
|
|
|
Evolver
Special Collaborator
Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams
Joined: October 22 2005
Location: The Idiocracy
Status: Offline
Points: 5482
|
Posted: May 30 2009 at 16:25 |
Epignosis wrote:
Evolver wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Evolver wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Your "implication" would hold water only if you could tell what in me made God save me.
|
Irrelevent. Are people changed by God better in any way than those unchanged? |
If you had a debilitating and terminal disease, would you be better with it, or without it?
|
I'm not sure what you are saying. |
Okay. I'll explain.
I do not believe (as many do) that people are inherently good. The Bible teaches otherwise: "For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." In a nutshell, that means nothing I can ever do on my own will please God. The Bible calls sin a disease that results in eternal death. We are all without hope in ourselves.
But God sent Jesus as a sacrifice for the sins of the world. Yours mine, everyone's. Paid and done. Now all that remains is to follow Christ. That means staying devoted to him in all things. Those who accept his payment no longer have to live under the burden of sin, and the Bible says God will keep us and cleanse us of all evil, thereby making us perfect after everything is said and done.
In other words, everyone is morally bankrupt, and there is only one- Jesus Christ- who can save people's lives and instill in them holiness (not just "doing good things-" anybody can do that).
So in that light, a person being treated and eventually cured of a debilitating disease is certainly better off than a person who is not.
|
Thank you. That's what I thought you meant.
And your articulate response brings us back to the topic at hand.
It is lyrics that say, in the name of any religion, or lack thereof, that a person is, in your metaphor, diseased, if they don't follow The One True Way (TM), that I, and possibly many others who don't like religious lyrics, find offensive.
|
|
Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
|
|
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.
/PAlogo_v2.gif "Progarchives.com Homepage")
Religious lyrics ?
