Tech/Extreme Related Artists?

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Regarding Strapping Young Lad, they have 7 no votes against them from the older members of the PMT, so even if all in theory the current team were to vote yes, it's still effectively rejected. And I doubt T (who is a current member) is going to change his mind on the no vote he put up in the charts.

I know it's contentious issue guys and one that is brought up fairly frequently because some of you strongly believe in their place here in the database,  but with such an overwhelming majority of no votes, SYL making it's way into PA into Tech/Extreme is not going to happen, ever.
The votes by former members of the team cannot be altered, that is set in stone permanently and as much as I know this is going to bother people, I'm afraid I have to bring it to the table here that it's not possible to turn the decision of SYL being a rejected band over.

Since this is nothing that can be done further with the issue of the SYL Tech/Extreme question, I'm going to politely ask that the issue be put to rest once and for all knowing that I've made people aware of it never going to happen.

Edited by Petrovsk Mizinski - May 13 2009 at 05:25

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Petrovsk Mizinski Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210	Posted: May 13 2009 at 05:25
	Regarding Strapping Young Lad, they have 7 no votes against them from the older members of the PMT, so even if all in theory the current team were to vote yes, it's still effectively rejected. And I doubt T (who is a current member) is going to change his mind on the no vote he put up in the charts. I know it's contentious issue guys and one that is brought up fairly frequently because some of you strongly believe in their place here in the database, but with such an overwhelming majority of no votes, SYL making it's way into PA into Tech/Extreme is not going to happen, ever. The votes by former members of the team cannot be altered, that is set in stone permanently and as much as I know this is going to bother people, I'm afraid I have to bring it to the table here that it's not possible to turn the decision of SYL being a rejected band over. Since this is nothing that can be done further with the issue of the SYL Tech/Extreme question, I'm going to politely ask that the issue be put to rest once and for all knowing that I've made people aware of it never going to happen. Edited by Petrovsk Mizinski - May 13 2009 at 05:25


Mr ProgFreak Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195	Posted: May 13 2009 at 06:04
	^ former members can always contact me via PM though and have their vote changed ... shouldn't happen that often, but sometimes people change their mind or the situation changes.

Petrovsk Mizinski Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210	Posted: May 13 2009 at 06:24
	^Well that is a possibility, I wasn't discounting that, but I was talking about it realistically. I'm not talking in theory here. Come one, let's be realistic: Are those older members that don't come back to the site, or that made their negative vote and are firm about it going to come here, see this thread and give SYL another go to see if they will change their mind? It just wont happen. That's why I'm asking for the SYL issue to be put at rest, because it's clear it's not going to ever change. Edited by Petrovsk Mizinski - May 13 2009 at 06:24


UMUR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3073	Posted: May 13 2009 at 09:55
	Hmmm... I would like to hear your opinion about the Alien album before I stop naggin´ about it. I see from the above that their inclusion will probably never happen, but that doesn´t mean I have to agree or stop questioning the decision ( in a civilized manner of course). In fact I strongly disagree with the decision and will only fully accept it when I know that all those no votes where given after listening to Alien and not on the basis of other albums by the artist. It´s not fair to give a no vote after listening to City or SYL for example, when Alien is arguably the only full progressive album by the artist. Do you see what I mean or am I being unreasonable? Now I don´t like to get personal here but it´s not so long ago I heard T say he hadn´t listened to the Alien album ( and his vote is a no) and the same with you Harry ( last time I checked you hadn´t voted, but I guess that can have changed in the meantime?). Have you listened to the album yet? I´m not the only one here who has suggested to the team that they should listen to that exact album if they wanted to hear the band at their most progressive, so I´m a bit disappointed that the team doesn´t show more interest when suggestions keep coming from different users ( in the case of other rejected PM artists that keep re-appearing like Stratovarius and Necrophagist the team have listened to what people suggested as the most progressive albums). Remember one prog album and you´re in. I´ll stop naggin´ now cause´ lets face it it doesn´t exactly help the case ( not that not doing it would. This is a lost case and as you said Harry those old votes can´t be changed). Damn that actually helped a bit. I got it out of my system. I promise I´ll stuff it now.

lucas Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138	Posted: May 21 2009 at 21:19
	I second the progressive touch of SYL's 'Alien'. And I listened to it at least 10 times. Moreover, as the author of the article on the development of prog-rock I have a sufficiently extensive knowledge of prog to disinguish between a band that has something common with progressive rock in general and something that has no anchoring point at all. Another band that we should consider for addition in the tech/extreme metal section : ONTOGENY, at least for the album 'pillars of perversion'.
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(De)progressive Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: March 24 2010 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 495	Posted: March 24 2010 at 12:06
	Did anyone considered why Akercocke still isn't on the archives? it's one of the most progressive and interesting bands. And btw yeah Emperor and SYL should be added the archives too. And also Lifelover!
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UMUR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3073	Posted: March 24 2010 at 14:05
	Akercocke is currently being re-evaluated, but they were initially rejected, so it will require yes votes from all members of the Progressive Metal Team. I wouldn´t get my hopes up too high there but there´s still a chance. Emperor have been rejected too SYL have been rejected too ( personally I don´t agree with that decision but there are many no votes so that´s a no go) Lifeover are currently being evaluated. Two no votes so far. Three yes votes clear an act with the current formation of the PMT. You can check out the votes here: http://progfreak.com/go/home/progarchives?path=pm/nw
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Jake Kobrin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: September 20 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1303	Posted: March 24 2010 at 20:36
	Akercocke are awesome and certainly have proggressive tendencies, but they're not full prog so I doubt they'll ever be here. They WOULD fit into the Tech/Extreme related category as discussed in the OP, though. Lifelover's not even proggy... They're blackened post-punk.
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(De)progressive Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: March 24 2010 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 495	Posted: March 25 2010 at 10:10
	I don't understand the point here, should it include progressive rock elements to be in PA or is it enough to be a progressive band in general? because Lifelover is a band that includes black metal, post-punk, post-rock, classic music, industrial effects and electronics, and even in some songs I'm sure there is some progressive rock influences. ( look for Erotik and Konkurs albums to see what I'm talking about) the mixture of these sure maybe not enough for a band to be progressive, but Lifelover makes is both beautifully and aestheticly. Their music is quite experimental and open-minded. if Radiohead deserves to be in this site, so should Lifelover. (by the way I listen Radiohead too)
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