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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 14:16
One of my first actions as a member was recommending Gorguts to the archive.   It would be wonderful if they got in. 

And Obsucra is not their only progressive album.  From Wisdom to Hate and The Erosion of Sanity both have very proggy moments.


As for Emperor, their most progressive album (and their worst, imo) is Prometheus. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 14:28

Iīm not much of an Emperor fan ( I prefer Samothīs Zyklon if I listen to anything from those gentlemen) but I agree that Prometheus is their most progressive album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 14:43
http://progfreak.com/Emperor,_dbe,artists,_auto_5163283.xhtml

There aren't many votes regarding the progressiveness of the albums ... you're welcome to add your opinion!Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 15:29
Nile - Annihilation of the Wicked

Superb album, for any fan of death metal this is a must have, especially the song User~Maat~Re.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 17:42
^ Yes, and I find Nile in general pretty progressive. It might be just me, but I think their approach is much more progressive than a lot of the Tech/Extreme bands already here.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 18:17
I'd disagree with that.  Nile is not progressive, nor is Necrophagist or Spawn of Possession, etc. etc. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 18:17
Never really considered Nile worthy of inclusion here.While I really dig them,they are pretty much a brutal death band,imho.Just because their lyrical content is influenced by ancient Egypt and they incorporate some middle eastern influences in their music doesn't make them proggy.Heck,Karl Sanders solo albums are more worthy of inclusion if you ask me(but not in any PM sub).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 19:27
Yeah, I would never consider them for inclusion. But they are one of the most progressive bands out there that remain outside of the prog umbrella.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 23:02
Nile is too much for me. And I like some brutal/crazy stuff!

Anyone know of the bands: Coroner and Path of Debris?
My brother said they're progressive-ish but hes not to into that stuff, so I dont know how right he is
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2009 at 00:16
Coroner were generally considered technical/ semi-progressive thrash metal in the late eighties/ early nineties but theyīve been rejected here on PA. They are borderline IMO ( especially because of Grin). Iīm not too sure myself.
 
Havenīt heard of Path of Debris but found them on Metal Archives http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=1601.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2009 at 04:08
Yep, definitely no Nile for PA.
A kinda progressive approach to their sound perhaps, but "prog metal", different story entirely.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2009 at 04:24
A thing for anyone here that is suggesting bands they believe could be prog related is that, IMHO, generally we don't just want bands that have progressive elements, because that can open the flood gates way too wide.
We want you to convince us how those bands have influenced progressive tech/extreme artists, how they may have helped shaped the genre while not actually being inside the genre itself and why they are important.

Sure, there are these bands that are being suggested here as being "borderline", but if these bands are relatively unknown, then how would they have been influential to the genre then?

Think about it guys......why do we have Iron Maiden, Metallica and Black Sabbath?
These are pretty well known bands that helped shape prog metal in some way. The fact they are well known and thus were much easier for bands to get a band a hold of to listen to, to influence their style, is key.
Maybe Path of Debris is more progressive than Maiden, but f**ked if I've ever heard of them, and not a chance they have influenced anywhere near as much of the Tech/Extreme bands that Maiden did. See what I mean now?
There are plenty of bands that are more progressive than Sabbath, but didn't make the cut for either Prog Metal or even Related.
The bands that should be suggested for related shouldn't just be any "borderline" band, I really want you guys to take into consideration the other points I (and hey, possibly quite a few others) consider as being of strong importance for inclusion into Related before you come and suggest them.
And then, perhaps an admin, maybe even our man of metal on the admin team, Jody himself might take a serious look at those suggestions.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2009 at 11:07
Forwarding the bands you mentioned Harry, Slayer and Anthrax. Also early Death and Morbid Angel works influenced progressive death metal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2009 at 12:33
Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:


Maybe Path of Debris is more progressive than Maiden, but f**ked if I've ever heard of them, and not a chance they have influenced anywhere near as much of the Tech/Extreme bands that Maiden did. See what I mean now?
There are plenty of bands that are more progressive than Sabbath, but didn't make the cut for either Prog Metal or even Related.


Excellent point.

Still, Gorguts should be added.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2009 at 12:53
Yep but the difference is that Gorguts ( Obscura) is a fully progressive death metal album and not a borderline case ( at least IMO).
 
The line can be thin sometimes and the PMT should be open to borderline suggestions even though 8 out of 10 might be rejected. Those two that make the cut will add great value to PA IMO. I think most people who suggest artists for PM are very serious about their suggestions and therefore those suggestions should be handled and evaluated with respect by the team ( as they always areThumbs Up) even though some of those suggestions migth seem borderline at first eyesight.
 
The problem here is when people try and get borderline cases that have been rejected added to prog-related. I agree with Harry here that to get into prog-related ( which might be a bad name really?) you have to have greatly influenced progressive metal or rock in some way. Itīs not a place to put artists that didnīt make the cut into a full progressive genre. For example Iīm a greatly for the addition of Strapping Young Lad to the tech/ extreme genre because of the Alien ( and remember that one progressive album is enough to be added to PA) album but I would never suggest them for prog-related. Itīs true they are an influential band, but they are not influential on the whole progressive metal genre which I guess is the criteria to get into prog-related. Death might be a good example of a band that might fit better in prog-related than in tech/ extreme IMO. Greatly influential on the genre but not quite tech/ extreme material. I know others feel differently about it but I think itīs a good example.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2009 at 13:26
btw, you guys should add me to the progressive metal team. i'm pretty much the sh*t. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2009 at 20:38
Yes, let's add to the debate as to who should be here, by topping it off with what should be here.

"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2009 at 20:42
I don't beleive I suggested that Nile should be here. I merely stated that their approach is very progressive.
 
Also, on the topic of Gorguts, they are hugely influential within extreme metal circles for sure. Would they have to be influential in any prog (metal or otherwise) to be influential enough here, because I don't really know of many bands inspired by them. It really doesn't matter because if they have a progressive album I guess they deserve a place here.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2009 at 23:48
Yep but in Tech/ extreme and not in Prog-related IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2009 at 00:05
As was already stated, the band (Gorguts) only needs one yes vote to get in on PA in an actual prog genre (Tech/Extreme) regardless of how influential they are perceived to be, because that's the way of the voting process anyway. If a band is on the charts for actual prog metal, and is cleared, it doesn't matter at all how influential they are.
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