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    Posted: May 09 2009 at 04:13
Hi,

Why are there several arguably progressive (or that have at least released one fully progressive albums in their discography) Tech/Extreme Metal acts that have been rejected from Prog-Related but yet rock bands with similar situations are accepted all the time. Some suggestions for Prog-Related would be:

Emperor - The prog album being Anthems for Welkin at Dusk
Strapping Young Lad - Alien
Gorguts - Obscura (one of the most complex and technical albums of all time... I truly don't understand how this isn't in PA already)

There are plenty of others but those three profoundly stick out. What are your thoughts?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2009 at 04:17
Originally posted by Jake Kobrin Jake Kobrin wrote:


Gorguts - Obscura (one of the most complex and technical albums of all time... I truly don't understand how this isn't in PA already)




This is a perfect example why PA should be album-based instead of artist-based. As far as I understand Gorguts have not been included because the rest of their material is quite conventional death metal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2009 at 04:53
Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Originally posted by Jake Kobrin Jake Kobrin wrote:


Gorguts - Obscura (one of the most complex and technical albums of all time... I truly don't understand how this isn't in PA already)




This is a perfect example why PA should be album-based instead of artist-based. As far as I understand Gorguts have not been included because the rest of their material is quite conventional death metal.
 
Indeed, it should follow the same pattern as other major prog sites such as Babyblaue on which only Death albums as of Human were included and Ground and sky on which for example Joni Mitchell's album The hissing of summer lawns is featured.
 
Why Death is on this site and not Gorguts is something difficult to understand as both have non-prog and prog-related albums in their discography.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2009 at 05:42
Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Originally posted by Jake Kobrin Jake Kobrin wrote:


Gorguts - Obscura (one of the most complex and technical albums of all time... I truly don't understand how this isn't in PA already)




This is a perfect example why PA should be album-based instead of artist-based. As far as I understand Gorguts have not been included because the rest of their material is quite conventional death metal.


AFAIK PA already is album based instead of artist based. IIRC, the rules are if a band has one progressive album, they can get in on the site.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2009 at 05:55
Now, if only we can objectively pin down what "progressive" is. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2009 at 05:56
Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:

Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Originally posted by Jake Kobrin Jake Kobrin wrote:


Gorguts - Obscura (one of the most complex and technical albums of all time... I truly don't understand how this isn't in PA already)




This is a perfect example why PA should be album-based instead of artist-based. As far as I understand Gorguts have not been included because the rest of their material is quite conventional death metal.


AFAIK PA already is album based instead of artist based. IIRC, the rules are if a band has one progressive album, they can get in on the site.



Then it's probably time to add Gorguts to the reevaluation list.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2009 at 06:06
Gorguts actually only needs one more yes vote to be put on the cleared list.
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4 yes votes, 4 no votes and one undecided.
The band was put on the rejected list before Plankowner or I even joined the PMT anyway, so we never had the chance to vote on it the first time around.
Given how close the band are to being a yes, I'm going to get some of their albums to make my decision.
Hopefully my man Planky is going to lend his vote too.
I can't guarantee a vote soon, because our cleared list is still quite big. Hopefully in about a month, I can get a vote in.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2009 at 06:09
Obscura is the only album you'd have to get. Really, the band's proginess rests on that one album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2009 at 06:09
Sure thing, I'll grab that album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2009 at 07:37
Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Obscura is the only album you'd have to get. Really, the band's proginess rests on that one album.
 
 
 
 
 
We should keep in mind that ProgArchives aim at being the ultimate source of progressive music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2009 at 12:04

Gorguts would fit like a glove in the Tech/ extreme catagory because of Obscura. I fully agree. Strapping as well for the Alien album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2009 at 12:20
Just remember that while you're arguing about their addition you can rate and tag those albums at PF ... where they are already listed as Prog (at least Obscura and Alien, I looked them up).Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2009 at 22:46
Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Originally posted by Jake Kobrin Jake Kobrin wrote:


Gorguts - Obscura (one of the most complex and technical albums of all time... I truly don't understand how this isn't in PA already)




This is a perfect example why PA should be album-based instead of artist-based.
As far as I understand Gorguts have not been included because the rest of their material is quite conventional death metal.


Thank You! Thats what I never got. There is all this debate about whether or not a band is prog or not, or if a metal band with 7 albums but 3 are prog should they make it in based on a few? It would be so much easier to have a prog album section for all those.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 01:05
okay - let's remove half the albums from the classic progressive bands then and not offer reviews for new albums until they've each been individually approved by the already non-stop working teams.


Sounds awesome.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 01:20
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

okay - let's remove half the albums from the classic progressive bands then and not offer reviews for new albums until they've each been individually approved by the already non-stop working teams.


Sounds awesome.


Well, it is a little late now...
Besides, the classical progressive bands would be fine. I think it should only be for albums from overall NON prog bands.

For example, Death. Overall, there is no way you can call them progressive metal. They are a death metal band, and they should not be here...however, they do have prog metal albums. And its in THOSE cases a "Prog Album" section would be used for.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 02:13
I donīt agree with the "only" progressive albums catagory. Either everything is here or nothing is. Itīs important to know an artistīs full discography to understand their development IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 02:51
Well there are plenty of bands like that already in the archives. Some big names would be The Beatles, The Who, Rush, etc.

There also plenty who were prog but then stopped releasing prog: Genesis, Yes, Wishbone Ash, etc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 09:36
Originally posted by Jake Kobrin Jake Kobrin wrote:

Emperor - The prog album being Anthems for Welkin at Dusk


Strange, thats one of my favourite albums ever.

I love "With Strength I Burn"...

Oh, and it's "Anthems To The Welkin At Dusk"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 10:28
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

I donīt agree with the "only" progressive albums catagory. Either everything is here or nothing is. Itīs important to know an artistīs full discography to understand their development IMO.


That's cool, I hear you there. However, that being the case...I don't want to hear people complain about "X" does not belong here!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2009 at 13:22
Originally posted by Necromancer Necromancer wrote:

Originally posted by Jake Kobrin Jake Kobrin wrote:

Emperor - The prog album being Anthems for Welkin at Dusk


Strange, thats one of my favourite albums ever.

I love "With Strength I Burn"...

Oh, and it's "Anthems To The Welkin At Dusk"


It's one of my all time favorites as well. Strangely I can never remember the full title so I mostly just call it "Anthems".
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