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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 15:27
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ Most of The Nice's Ars Long Vista Brevis was written by Bach, I guess Bach should be here too??? No way!

Well The Nice reinterpretted Bach in this case? Isn't that different?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 15:30
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

oh sure...  actually would have been a great addition to the site... but wasn't meant to be.  Never lost of a minute of sleep over it though.   We know it is.. .whether the site recognizes it or not. 

Some battles are meant to be lost, I guess.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 15:53
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahhaha... SRV???   who brought that up.. .better have not been Ivan.  I'll spank his cute ass if he was the one who tried to drag Stevie Ray into this LOL

is that the best people can do to protest an addition....
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 16:19
There have been some pretty ridiculous attempts at discrediting this addition.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 16:20
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Does this mean no prog polka bands?

I dunno. I actually scanned down the thread before joining the fray. I just think that it`s sort of clutching at straws to have Hendrix on a site like this.
I`ll just say one last thing about Coryell. If you watch his DVD A Retrospective one of his sons ( I forget which ) reflects on how dumbfounded he is that his dad is not in Rolling Stone`s top 100 guitarists.

 I doubt that if Hendrix would have lived past 27 that he would have joined in on the short period during the early seventies when the prog ( or art rock )  movement ruled.

That's a good point. Clapton certainly didn't after finding the Blues.


Shows a distinct lack of knowledge of the subject here. Had he lived Hendrix would have most certainly recorded with Miles Davis in a Jazz Fusion setting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 16:28
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

There are lots of artists who sit between prog rock and fusion: Mahavishnu, RTF, Bill Bruford, Quiet Sun, Ozric Tentacles, David Sancious, Jean Luc Ponty, Alan Holdsworth Terje Rypdal, Focus, early Soft Machine and many more.

Good thing this site calls Quiet Sun Canterbury because their perfect blend of fusion and prog rock would be hard to classify

It  seems that a lot of music that is beyond category finds it`s way on to this site and then the big argument always starts about which genre it should fit under. And then we start inventing genres and definitions to fit the artists such as this proto prog appellation or this heavy prog title which I think I`ve seen bands like Rush filed under. What is this site going to look like in 2080? ( that is if we haven`t destroyed the planet by then ).


Like I've said before, by your reasoning you should still be flying around in Sopwith Camels.

The fact that you do not appreciate Hendrix's legacy (never mind his influence on Prog) reflects badly on you because your argument becomes basically "I dont like him, so he isnt any good."

As for Staz, OK you don't agree with it (actually you do not understand it) fine, it would appear you never will, now let's move on.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 16:35
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahhaha... SRV???   who brought that up.. .better have not been Ivan.  I'll spank his cute ass if he was the one who tried to drag Stevie Ray into this LOL

is that the best people can do to protest an addition....
 
Starts on page 6 ends on page 7Wink
 
 
Leave my cute butt in peace LOL
 
I don't care for SRV enough to even mention him......Sorry, but I always say the truth....Plus i try to use arguments not comparisons, I'm the enemy of "If X, why not Y" argument.
 
But when i have to mention other artists, it's never tio justify an inclusion, maybe to describe what a determined genre is for me.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 16:53
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahhaha... SRV???   who brought that up.. .better have not been Ivan.  I'll spank his cute ass if he was the one who tried to drag Stevie Ray into this LOL

is that the best people can do to protest an addition....
 
Starts on page 6 ends on page 7Wink
 
 
Leave my cute butt in peace LOL
 
I don't care for SRV enough to even mention him......Sorry, but I always say the truth....Plus i try to use arguments not comparisons, I'm the enemy of "If X, why not Y" argument.
 
But when i have to mention other artists, it's never tio justify an inclusion, maybe to describe what a determined genre is for me.
 
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hahhaha... I knew it wasn't you.  We can always count on you to make logical arguments not half..err.. ass comments hahahha. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2009 at 17:01
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Does this mean no prog polka bands?

I dunno. I actually scanned down the thread before joining the fray. I just think that it`s sort of clutching at straws to have Hendrix on a site like this.
I`ll just say one last thing about Coryell. If you watch his DVD A Retrospective one of his sons ( I forget which ) reflects on how dumbfounded he is that his dad is not in Rolling Stone`s top 100 guitarists.

 I doubt that if Hendrix would have lived past 27 that he would have joined in on the short period during the early seventies when the prog ( or art rock )  movement ruled.

That's a good point. Clapton certainly didn't after finding the Blues.


Shows a distinct lack of knowledge of the subject here. Had he lived Hendrix would have most certainly recorded with Miles Davis in a Jazz Fusion setting.


I have a feeling that had Jimi Hendrix lived to record with Miles Davis, both Hendrix and Davis would have found their way into the archives much faster.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2009 at 05:23
Jimi Hendrix is an essential - and bold - addition to proto-prog because PA now finally verifies that a proto-prog band does not need to rely on keyboards. The only other electric guitar driven proto-prog band, The Who is already here, while the Beatles had given us only a few other examples with I Feel Fine and Rain. One can argue that Jefferson Airplane also belong to this small group (since they are in PA), but I still question their prog credentials.
 
With this significant shift in the inclusion procedure - which I welcome - I look forward to seeing the Yardbirds, Byrds, and the Animals inducted. (I'm confident others will take care of Cream.)
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2009 at 05:32
^ None of the bands mentioned above wrote complex art songs with ground-breaking creative meticulous production on the level of 1983, Midnight Lamp, Long Hot Summer, If 6 was 9, 3rd Stone from the Sun, Aint no Tellin, Houses Burnin etc.

The Byrds might have a case, but they were not involved in the all too important 67 London scene in which The Experience was a prime mover. Remember this is proto-prog, ie who influenced the early prog scene. If you read interviews with Fripp, Emerson, Townsend etc Hendrix is mentioned 100 to 1 over The Byrds.

You guys need to quit putting bands on Jimi's coattails because it isn't going to work. The Experience did not need coattails.

If you haven't read my intro to this thread please do so now. It took me 3 or 4 months to put this together and you could read the intro in less than 5 minutes. Name one band that meets the criteria that The Experience meets other than a band that is already on PA. You can't!

If you get out the records and listen to them you will find that The Experience's many art rock songs are far different from anything Cream put out.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2009 at 06:23
^Since when was being involved in the "all too important 67 London scene"  a critrion for being proto-prog?Shocked
 
The Experinece do not need coattails, but apparently only being part of the London scene suffices. You recomendation for adding them is pretty lame in my opinion. And please stop accusing me and others of not having read your intro. I have twice, but it still leaves me unsatisfied.
 
You got all the arguments from listening to Jimi's (and Yardbirds, Byrds, Animals) music. He doensn't need to have socialised with the London scene. That's ridiculous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2009 at 07:07
Jimi is here for the songs he wrote and produced in 67-68, which I have listed many times. everything else is icing on the cake.

If you want to try to add the bands you have mentioned, then start a thread in the appropriate place and give your reasons for wanting to add that band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2009 at 07:14
^I understand you have researched on Hendrix for many months, and you still don't know that many of his songs were written and some even recorded in '66?!
 
That's explains alot.
 
You ought to know that many of the bands mentioned have already been suggested "in the appropriate place".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2009 at 07:16
Well that's good then, is there anything else I can help you with today. Also, Hendrix has recordings before 66, including a proto-psyche guitar 'freakout' with The Isley's in 65, but I didn't include earlier recordings because they are mostly irrelevant to his inclusion in PA's proto-prog section. It is the recordings and performances that influenced Emerson, Fripp, Lord etc that matter.

P.S. I understand your desire to have these bands added, but they will have to go through the same channels that Hendrix did including many debates on the forum, dicussion amongst the administrators, and an OK from Max.

I never officially proposed Hendrix for the site, I heard Max had approved him and volunteered to do the research and presentation.

I do not have the power to add these bands for you just because I volunteered to add the already approved Hendrix.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2009 at 07:40
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Originally posted by valravennz valravennz wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Oh no, and I who wanted to add Duran DuranCry!

I could only support their addition if they were named Duran Duran Duran. Tongue
For some reason I am now hungry like the wolf. LOL

Doesn't that song have the lyric "I smell like I sound" or something?
 
LOL Hmmm - maybe we can add a catagory like Progressive Synthetic 80's Rock with artists such as Duran Duran, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Depeche Mode, The Cure etc. - NO just kidding!
 
Thanks M@x for adding Jimi. I always felt that his influence on many prog artists should be acknowledged by his inclusion on PA - and I think he was one heck of a musician!Clap
Putting The Cure in the same sentence as Duran DuranAngryAngryAngry


amen...   someone should be sacrificed for daring  mention the Cure in the same sentence with Duran Duran AngryAngry

Absolutely. Duran Duran were comprised of some excellent musicians. Not crazy about their music, but they could play the pants off The Cure from what I've heard.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2009 at 07:56
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Does this mean no prog polka bands?

I dunno. I actually scanned down the thread before joining the fray. I just think that it`s sort of clutching at straws to have Hendrix on a site like this.
I`ll just say one last thing about Coryell. If you watch his DVD A Retrospective one of his sons ( I forget which ) reflects on how dumbfounded he is that his dad is not in Rolling Stone`s top 100 guitarists.

 I doubt that if Hendrix would have lived past 27 that he would have joined in on the short period during the early seventies when the prog ( or art rock )  movement ruled.

That's a good point. Clapton certainly didn't after finding the Blues.


Shows a distinct lack of knowledge of the subject here. Had he lived Hendrix would have most certainly recorded with Miles Davis in a Jazz Fusion setting.

Well that's a leap of faith, IMO, considering his work with Cream was very much on the cusp of Prog. Clapton was introduced to it. He didn't travel that path. He stuck with the Blues and almost Country! Not to mention, Clapton's heroes were the blues masters of old. 

Would Hendrix have gone Prog? Doubtful in my eyes. He may have experimented but the Blues was his soul. Likewise, he may have offered his services to other outfits in sessions due to his talents but I don't see him diving head first into those genres which he was invited. However , the psychedelic blues he wrote was already moving out into the Jam band area. That seems evident.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2009 at 08:12
^ As mentioned before, Hendrix's last bands were a proggy fusion band with veteran jazz kybdst Larry Young (Miles, McLaughlin, Elvin Jones, Tony Williams, Santana).

Plus a proggy canterbury/fusion band with PA member Bo Hanson.

He was also heading for work with Miles.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2009 at 08:27
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ As mentioned before, Hendrix's last bands were a proggy fusion band with veteran jazz kybdst Larry Young (Miles, McLaughlin, Elvin Jones, Tony Williams, Santana).

Plus a proggy canterbury/fusion band with PA member Bo Hanson.

He was also heading for work with Miles.

I wasn't aware of this. Where is that information? Where are samples?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2009 at 08:31
I am a one hundred percent Miles Davis fan boy and I own at least 3 bios and auto-bios, maybe more. Miles loved Jimi and couldn't wait to work with him. After Jimi passed Miles finally found a replacement in Pete Cosey who took Hendrix's guitar style to new heights.

As for the work with Larry Young and Bo Hanson, you can get some recordings if you look around, I got my Larry Young-Hendrix recordings from a radio show about Larry Young

Edited by Easy Money - April 16 2009 at 08:32
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