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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 19:29 | |
I think I would only break if PA ran out of beer in the CZ.
but is it just me, or is this thread a whole lot of people defending the addition with only a couple of people booing
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Raff
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 19:29 | |
Nothing in life goes according to a plan... Those who think so are deluding themselves, I'm afraid. But this is not the time nor the place for such philosophical discussions.
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Windhawk
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 19:26 | |
Yup - down to a T that one :-) |
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The T
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 19:10 | |
Maybe it's the opposite... maybe their lives are so stressful that they see this place as a place where everything goes according to a plan... and suddenly they see chaos here too... and it's their breaking point....
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Raff
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 18:22 | |
Well, if people get heart attacks over additions to a music site, it means they have no other worries in their lives... Lucky them!
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Atkingani
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 18:21 | |
I would say that the agreements and disagreements seen in this thread are 95% close to the desirable among friends and comrades. Well, 100% would be perfect but the actual percentage is fairly enjoyable.
Keep the good job, fellows!
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micky
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 18:21 | |
and I'll give them a popcorn shower on the way to the ER.....
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Windhawk
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 18:05 | |
Heh. if Cream ever gets added I fear we'll have to notify doctors in a few select cities due to imminent danger of heart attacks for some of our members ;-)
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JLocke
Prog Reviewer Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
Posted: April 11 2009 at 17:40 | |
Finally! About time Jimi was added here! A KEY player in the development of Prog, right up there with The Beatles and the Doors! Is Cream here, yet? |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 17:20 | |
Great Electric Ladyland review, Ivan!
I agree with the addition, but I feel it was made in a hurry. A very important issue wasn't considered: what is the exact artist we are adding and what are the albums that fit it's description? I mean, what exactly is "Jimi Hendrix" the artist? The three albums already added are albums released by the band "Jimi Hendrix Experience". Should we stick to this band only? It definitely has the best credential, since it is the only band Jimi was in while being proto-progressive, something he never was later, while he played in other bands. Or should we add any of his bands, despite the band-name, just because they all were "his" bands"? (BTW it is good to know that the record didn't have a contract with The Experience but with Jimi himself, the bandmates were hired personnel. Jimi could change the musicians and the band name, but from a contractual point of view this meant no changes - like in the case of "Band of Gypsys".) Or should we only add Experience albums plus albums released by "Hendrix" / "Jimi Hendrix" which have Mitchell and Redding in the line-up (like some of the early post-mortem albums)? What do we do with ALL those "Jimi Hendrix" compilations which throw in material from ALL his periods? Wtf Edited by Swan Song - April 11 2009 at 17:29 |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 15:18 | |
^Yes, you can agree to disagree without being overly disagreeable, some people would rather have hissy fits.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Raff
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 15:03 | |
Personally, I was rather in favour of the addition, though I would not have lost sleep if it had not happened. As many of you know, I am pretty open-minded, and, even if I might disagree with some of the additions, you will hardly ever see me post to that effect. I think life is hard enough for everyone without getting upset because Band X or Artist Y gets added to our database.
That said, there is something that really bugs me about some people's reactions... I wonder if it would be possible to disagree with any given addition without questioning the integrity of the people who do them. Things seem to have got better with time here at PA, but still there are those who believe it is a good idea to say, "hey, let's add Tom Petty/Britney Spears/New Kids on the Block/etc. etc.", every time a controversial addition is made. In my very humble opinion, this is VERY offensive to those who work on behalf of the site, and implies that either they are clueless about music, or (even worse), that their only purpose is to add their favourites. Disagreeing is everyone's right, but not when it involves slurs against other people. In this threads there are examples of constructive disagreement (Ivan, to mention but one). Is it very hard to do the same? |
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jammun
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 14:53 | |
I realize many who frequent the site were not there when it all happened. As manofmystery said, why not just add every '60's band. Within limits, and there are many, this is not all that bad of an idea
I will get to this when I review the albums -- when they come as I am the tortoise with regards to reviews -- but Are You Experienced, if you happened to be a 13-14 years old at the time, playing in a band (sorry folks, about the best we could do was Louie Louie and Gloria)...well when that needle hit the groove and Purple Haze came out of those speakers, it was like nothing we'd heard before. In fact it was in the most stringent sense of the term progressive rock. There's a reason that if you go to guitarplayer.com you will find discussions of the 'Hendrix chord'. It had never been heard before.
Sure there's the pure r&b influenced rock (Fire, Foxey Lady) but there's also the proto stuff (Third Stone From Sun, surely a companion piece to Astronomy Domine), not to mention the jazz inflections of The Wind Cries Mary or the psychedelia of the title cut.
Hendrix lies in rest about 5 miles from my house. I've lived here for 30 years and have not made the pilgrimage. I do believe I'll head down that way in the next few weeks. Thank you PA.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 14:41 | |
I personally don't like the move, but as Garion has said, the groundwork for this has been laid a LONG time ago. Might as well open the floodgates and let all of the Psychedelic bands in.... Heck I'll bet the Grateful Dead fans are already posting.
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Chris S
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 14:34 | |
Great move guys!!!!!!
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Garion81
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 13:09 | |
I can think of a lot bands already here I would have put behind Hendrix for inclusion. Does that justify it? Hardly but precedent was set a long time ago so I don't see this as wrong. Jimi was involved in pushing the boundaries of Rock in that altogheter expansive late 60's. Some would minimize it others maximise it. Either way it was there.
Bob, I think I had a class with you.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 11:57 | |
^Heh, you have no obligation to reply, even if you are mentioned
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 11:48 | |
I said I diodn't wanted to talk more about this addition (and even made a review of Electric Ladyland), if I'm mentioned, I have to reply
Yes I did, I said it, this is a place for OPINIONS, and even when in my review of Electric ladyland I say I understand why he is here and that he has some relation with Prog, even when i insist the connection is not significant and he should be in Prog Related.
And Mike, some other Collaborators don't believe that connection is significative, even some supporters say "Hey doesn't matter if he's not Prog, he's in a non Prog sub-genre" but we all accepted he's here without having to bite our lips,
Iván
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Easy Money
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 10:10 | |
^ Thanks, I used to teach comedy traffic school in California.
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earlyprog
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Posted: April 11 2009 at 09:51 | |
I must say that I found Easy Money's introduction of Hendrix to proto-prog close to hillarious. It is clearly written by someone who himself is not "a believer". Well, don't shoot him, he's only the messenger...But Easy Money seems to be trying to find all kinds of excuses for Hendrix' inclusion, one less valid than the other.
Yes, Hendrix was a part of the culture that led to prog, socializing with other proto-prog bands and artists. (I think you forgot to mention Touch.) Irrespective of his musical directions (proto-prog or not) he brought music to the masses just like the Beatles, so the (few?) proto-prog songs he delivered must have helped paving the path for prog.
The way his guitar was playing around every note is one of the trademarks of prog, and many keyboard and bass players seemed to follow this trend in those years. Replace his guitar parts with Emerson's keyboards or Squire's bass and it's pretty proto-prog. It would be a stretch to say no Emerson or Squire without Hendrix, but perhaps worth a thought.
Then there's the music. To point out a few songs: Listening to Are You Experienced? (the album) after all these years reveals that the title track and especially I Don't Live Today and the space rock on Third Stone From the Sun is as proto-prog as anything else from '67.
Ok, I'm convinced! Thanx M@x
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