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mr.cub 
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 Posted: April 06 2009 at 11:34 |
 Henry Plainview wrote:
Does this thread mark the expansion of our elitism to new and interesting heights?
What if I listen to so much good music that my ears break and I don't even realize it? How will I know how to look down on? This is serious, people. In five years you could be listening to Nickelback! |
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I think this is an interesting thread. Personally if I was saturated by prog then I would just move on to jazz or classical music. Pop music will rarely ever sound new to me, especially in this day and age. The goal of pop music is not to create something new, it is to cash in on a proven existing template. But then again, I doubt I would ever be completely bored of prog, even if I did I would certainly come back to it in due time.
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moshkito
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 11:45 |
Hi,
Funny that you should connect the two ... the majority of the bands we consider "prog" that helped define that which we hjave ended up calling "prog" ... got their start on the AM dial with a hit or so ... don't ask Yes or Genesis, or Jethro Tull or ELP ... because that is exactly what got them here ... one could say they ... errr ... grew up?
That said there is a lot of pop music that is much more advanced and progressive than we would prefer to give them credit for ... however, we -- as an elitist bunch that we are -- would not want this special category to be corrupted .,.. so we prefer to stick with the thought that progressive bands are not pop music ... and ... whatevah!
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darkshade
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 17:47 |
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there's no reason to give up and move to pop
rock n roll
blues
jazz
latin
classical
hard rock
metal
world music
funk
soul
gospel
psychedelic rock
avant-garde
samba
punk
hardcore
bluegrass
old school hip-hop
GOOD rap
swing
ragtime
not to mention all the combinations and variations of all of these.
blame modern pop on the parents of the kids who want the stars' merchandise, the kids dont know any better until their late teens or so (unless they just dont care)
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 07 2009 at 17:58 |
Epignosis wrote:
How cool would it be if Kellogg's made Prog Tarts?
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Prog Tarts are rare but can be seen hanging out around Greg Lake's tour bus on occasion
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She-Hulk
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 04:52 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 10:46 |
pianomandust wrote:
I was thinking to myself today that I really enjoy a lot of styles of music. Jazz, classical, various forms of prog, etc. I find something to enjoy in just about every sub-genre of prog (recognized by P.A.). That is also what worries me - I hope that in my seemingly never-ending search for new styles and forms of music, pop music (what I don't really listen to at all) will become prog to me at some point. It's inevitable, right? It will sound the freshest to my ears because everything else I listen to doesn't sound like pop music.
Scary thought, and semi-sarcastic, but crap....that would be awful.
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After some time I conme back to this thread just ti try to understand what the question is, because asking if POP will turn into Prog is like asking if Salsa will turn into Jazz.
The question you ask really involves a problem among may Prog fans, you are asking if POP will turn into an imaginative and fresh style to you, two characteristics you identify as exclusive part of Prog.
Yes,. at some point you may like POP, I don't see any problem, but this POP, no matter how much you like it, will never be PROG, not because one is better or not than the other, but because POP and Prog are two different conceptions of music.
I like a lot of POP, find it fresh and interesting, but still not Prog, it's a different animal with different characteristicsm, even when both can be rewarding to you and me, a POP artist can turn Prog or most usually a Prog artist may turn POP, but when an artist moves from Prog to POP, ceases to be Prog to turn POP, the same happens with the opposite case.
Cheers
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 23 2009 at 22:52
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hawkcwg
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Posted: April 10 2009 at 11:20 |
pianomandust wrote:
I was thinking to myself today that I really enjoy a lot of styles of music. Jazz, classical, various forms of prog, etc. I find something to enjoy in just about every sub-genre of prog (recognized by P.A.). That is also what worries me - I hope that in my seemingly never-ending search for new styles and forms of music, pop music (what I don't really listen to at all) will become prog to me at some point. It's inevitable, right? It will sound the freshest to my ears because everything else I listen to doesn't sound like pop music.
Scary thought, and semi-sarcastic, but crap....that would be awful.
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They Already have look at Yes, and Genesis, I can't even listen to some Yes songs because they are so pop sounding. ugg.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: April 12 2009 at 23:31 |
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Anaesthetist72
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Posted: April 23 2009 at 10:01 |
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If pop music became prog, then it would be good... because all the elements we love about it would actually make pop music worth listening to.
however, the masses prefer mindless dumbed-down music that takes no intelligence or skill to create...
So, if pop became prog, it would no longer be pop.
the end.
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Anaesthetist72
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Posted: April 23 2009 at 10:07 |
They Already have look at Yes, and Genesis, I can't even listen to some Yes songs because they are so pop sounding. ugg.
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It's true that a lot of prog bands have eventually went pop, but that's not the same as pop becoming prog, or vice versa. It's years of bands that make excellent music eventually compromising all that they stand for to make some bucks and finally be recognize in the music scene. These bands played the music we love for years with little recognition and eventually decided to change who they were for the mighty dollar or popularity. But in these cases I'm referring to... the band changed genres. They went pop. The genre didn't change, the bands did.
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Posted: April 26 2009 at 12:14 |
If Muse aren't pop prog then I don't know what is.
If you hate Muse that's fine, but I disagree with the common belief among proggies that prog rock can never cross the boundries of pop music, I think it certainly can. Yes did it with Roundabout did they not?
It seems a lot of proggies hate anything that's even remotely pop, I sometimes feel that these people are just being snobby to the extent of writing off anything they feel could be accessible to other people.
I like 90125, I'm not ashamed of it, and I love 80s era King Crimson, Discipline is one of my favorite albums from them. I'm also a big fan of David Bowie, Todd Rundgren, The Beach Boys, Fleetwood Mac, Michael Jackson (laugh if you must), 70s power pop and british pop rock bands like Primal Scream, Super Furry Animals and Blur. I can tell you that pop music can be just as great as any other form of music.
Edited by boo boo - April 26 2009 at 12:28
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Posted: April 26 2009 at 14:51 |
I'll certainly take Coheed & Cambria over those Nickelbag guys for a "mainstream" band. 
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npjnpj
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Posted: April 27 2009 at 04:13 |
We're not discussing anything really new here.
It's prog alongside commercial, each with their individual audiences, and it's been that way since I started listening closely to music in the early 70s. The actual rate just fluctuates slightly.
Cowell's stuff used to be disco music and suchlike, with short lived artificial acts that usually didn't last longer than a hit or two, the stuff played on the radio. Kung-Fu Fighting or Baccara, anyone?
Just good to know that prog has never been smothered in the last 40 years and because of that I'm confident that it won't be in future either. I'm not worried. Even if for a niche, creativity isn't stifled that easily.
In fact just the opposite. Prog with its large number variations has just been growing as an art form, if possibly not in appreciation. So what? The world is full of Joe The Plumbers who would never appreciate any of the main prog artists past and present, even at gunpoint. So let him continue to buy Cowell product or country music. No skin off my nose.
As for the original topic: Pop could only become prog if at some point in the future something new comes along to replace it that makes hip-hop, rap or Brittney's music seem the height of brilliant creativity by comparison. Hm, don't really see that happening. Then again, who knows?
Edited by npjnpj - April 27 2009 at 06:47
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J-Man
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Posted: April 27 2009 at 15:47 |
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Not a chance simply because the definitions of pop and prog are opposites. Pop can be rock, rap, or whatever else you want... except prog. Pop comes from the word popular, and prog isn't written to be popular, so there is no chance this is even a possibility. Rock can come in many forms. Rap can come in many forms. So can pop. But we've never seen a pop song with complexity, long instrumental sections, and epic song lengths. Now, we can have a prog song with more pop-like arrangements, but there is no possibility of a full pop-prog crossover.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: April 27 2009 at 16:06 |
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I can't tell you this because I will have to kill you, but black will become white. However you won't notice the change because you will wake up one morning and they will have changed yet you won't actually perceive it.
Edited by Slartibartfast - April 27 2009 at 16:08
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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boo boo
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Posted: April 27 2009 at 16:12 |
Pop songs can be long and complex, Bohemien Rhapsody is a prime example.
Even if they are very different structures, prog music was about breaking limitations and I think its silly to put any kind of limitation on what genres can or can't be merged together, especially with prog. The Beatles proved that pop music can be groundbreaking and progressive. There's certianly material out there that could be considered progressive pop. And I don't mean just prog rock bands like Yes and Genesis who have gone pop.
I'd recommend some Super Furry Animals and Stereolab. 
Edited by boo boo - April 27 2009 at 16:14
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