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Topic ClosedFree Will vs. Determinism
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Poll Question: Which view is closer to your own and why?
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Points: 23 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2009 at 07:05
I'm with Logan  the Captain and others. Sice our consciousnes is made of predictable electrochemical reactions what we see as a descision made is actually just a one path action-reaction deal so while we think things are decided on when they happen it was sort of inevitable.
 
This theory supports being able to predict the future, with enough computing power (billions of times what exists in the sum of all devices now) we could predict all the reactions that will happen.
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Points: 32550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2009 at 07:14
Originally posted by Fists Fists wrote:

I'm with Logan  the Captain and others. Sice our consciousnes is made of predictable electrochemical reactions what we see as a descision made is actually just a one path action-reaction deal so while we think things are decided on when they happen it was sort of inevitable.
 
This theory supports being able to predict the future, with enough computing power (billions of times what exists in the sum of all devices now) we could predict all the reactions that will happen.


Only as quantum physics shows, the very act of "observing" the particles will change their behavior and our predictions will be false.  LOL
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Points: 5210 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2009 at 09:04
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Fists Fists wrote:

I'm with Logan  the Captain and others. Sice our consciousnes is made of predictable electrochemical reactions what we see as a descision made is actually just a one path action-reaction deal so while we think things are decided on when they happen it was sort of inevitable.
 
This theory supports being able to predict the future, with enough computing power (billions of times what exists in the sum of all devices now) we could predict all the reactions that will happen.


Only as quantum physics shows, the very act of "observing" the particles will change their behavior and our predictions will be false.  LOL
 
 
Exactly right.....and this is a monkey wrench that comes AFTER the fact that interactive dynamic variable in huge numbers are far far beyond our mathematics, let alone our computing power.
 
Pure determinism is at minimum functionally inaccurate.
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Points: 828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2009 at 08:58
Well, I think it's pretty obvious that everybody has the ability to make their own choices and do their own thing, the confusing part is whether people will actually use their ability for free will, and whether using your free will can actually make much of a difference.
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Points: 23 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2009 at 23:21
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Fists Fists wrote:

I'm with Logan  the Captain and others. Sice our consciousnes is made of predictable electrochemical reactions what we see as a descision made is actually just a one path action-reaction deal so while we think things are decided on when they happen it was sort of inevitable.
 
This theory supports being able to predict the future, with enough computing power (billions of times what exists in the sum of all devices now) we could predict all the reactions that will happen.


Only as quantum physics shows, the very act of "observing" the particles will change their behavior and our predictions will be false.  LOL
 
 
Exactly right.....and this is a monkey wrench that comes AFTER the fact that interactive dynamic variable in huge numbers are far far beyond our mathematics, let alone our computing power.
 
Pure determinism is at minimum functionally inaccurate.
 
Note the word billions, and there was a time where inticate fluid dynamics were completely ineffable (yay big word) but geniuses continue to break massive boudaries so assuming the human race survives long enough the algorithms could be found in time and super advanced photonics with nanotube vacuums or something will provide computing power
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Points: 242 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2009 at 20:46
I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose freewill.

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