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jammun
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 20:35 |
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Dean
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Joined: May 13 2007
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 20:54 |
I don't want other people breathing in my secondhand smoke, damn it cigarettes are £5.50 a pack - buy your own you tight-fisted skinflints.
In the old days the standard repost to "do you mind if I smoke?" was "do you mind if I fart?" - okay fair dues - I can't smoke in a bar - I've kept my side of the bargain so now will all the sanctimonious non-smokers stop farting in public places... that's not a request - the next person to break-wind in my presence leaves by the nearest window. It would also be appreciated if they bought deodorant now that the air is clear enough to smell their rank body odour - and yes Mr " My-Body-is-a-Temple", it really is necessary to shower before stopping off at the Pub for a swift pint on the way home from the gym.
And see that table outside, the one under the moth-eaten garden-parasol near the single propane outdoor heater that's never got any gas in it - that's now mine - so come Summer all you non-smokers can just f k-off if you even think about sitting there during the brief break in the rain to sup your half of bloody lager and eat your poor excuse for a bar-snack - I staked my claim to that crappy square yard of shelter through-out winter, through the sleet and snow, in temperatures below freezing when arctic gales ravaged the land and four layers of clothing failed to prevent hypothermia. While you were all snug and dry in the bar, laughing at us poor smokers huddling together for warmth and protection, you lost the right to use those outdoor facilities - the next self-righteous person say "We're eating here!" in a maner that I deem to be even remotely indignant gets the contents of the butt-bin dumped into the middle of their Burger and Fries.
Come to think of it - all outdoor spaces belong to me - if you are going to eat or drink outside I will sit next to you and light-up - I may even take up cigars just for the occasion.
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Slartibartfast
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Joined: April 29 2006
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Posted: April 08 2009 at 20:58 |
I have no problems with smoking as long as there is good ventilation, if there isn't you're basically sucking the oxygen out of the room that others need. Smokers can go outside otherwise. Don't you need some good air in your lungs with that smoke? I'm having a little deja vu about this thread being done before.
Edited by Slartibartfast - April 08 2009 at 20:59
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 10:17 |
Ban-creep has already begun here. We have people advocating for *outdoor* smoking bans. They want no smoking at the Beach, outside the building, at the public parks, etc. Zealotry comes into it after a while.
They want to ban smoking in your car if you have kids, they want to ban it in your home if you live in an apartment. Perhaps the last two are worthy of discussion, but the outdoor bans are just plain hostilily by the anti-smoking lobby.
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lazland
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 10:28 |
We've had it here in Wales for a couple of years. It hasn't reduced smoking levels that much, but it most certainly has reduced trade in local pubs, many of whom were struggling to stay in business without this bit of "help" from the nanny state.
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The T
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 10:34 |
Of course I don't agree. I don't agree for two reasons: one, it makes outcasts out of smokers (I quit a while ago but I know how it is). It forces them to become second-class persons in certain situations.. ridiculous... Especially in bars where no minor is allowed... at least there should be an area in every bar....
The second reason is because is one step closer to banning smoking altogether.. which is a step backwards in terms of freedom... if people so want to, they should be able to do whatever they wanmt with their lifes... instead of legalizing things we continue to prohibit them...
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Dean
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 10:42 |
If the UK is going to become the 51st State then I want us to adopt all America's loony laws ... I want guns. Lots of them. Like a great big semi-automatic one with a kick like a mule that can take out a Toyota Landcruiser at 500 paces. With laser sights.
If I'm going to suffer nicotine deprivation it's only fair that I'm permitted some other form of stress relief.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
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Points: 25210
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 10:48 |
Nah don't agree with the ban. I smoke 180 cigarettes a day, I'd die if I had to wait long enough to get to outside area of the bar.
*Harry actually quit smoking a few months ago and is wondering who will notice this white text and will realize I wasn't being serious about smoking 180 a day*
Edited by Petrovsk Mizinski - April 09 2009 at 10:49
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The Quiet One
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Location: Argentina
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 10:51 |
^I noticed!!
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darkshade
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 11:05 |
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
I smoke 180 cigarettes a day
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darkshade
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 11:06 |
dammit i just noticed the white text
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Mikerinos
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Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Planet Gong
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 11:09 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
I think it's ridiculous. I would never be a smoker, but there is nothing good out of this, especially for businesses.
If you don't like clubs or bars that feature smoking heavily, then don't go there. It should be up to businesses whether they want to feature non-smoking sections or an entirely non-smoking business.
If enough people REALLY want a non-smoking bar, an entrepreneur or business owner will jump on the opportunity to make money off of it, and thus will voluntarily choose it. No need for the government to elevate this to a criminal offense.
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Yeah I agree. I don't smoke cigarettes or like them, but in college I have half my friends blowing smoke in my face all the time I've stopped letting the smell bother me. As long as the smoking and non-smoking sections are divided, I think it should be allowed if the business wants it to.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 11:13 |
Speaking as a smoker myself:
Dean wrote:
I don't want other people breathing in my secondhand smoke, damn it cigarettes are £5.50 a pack - buy your own you tight-fisted skinflints.
In the old days the standard repost to "do you mind if I smoke?" was "do you mind if I fart?" - okay fair dues - I can't smoke in a bar - I've kept my side of the bargain so now will all the sanctimonious non-smokers stop farting in public places... that's not a request - the next person to break-wind in my presence leaves by the nearest window. It would also be appreciated if they bought deodorant now that the air is clear enough to smell their rank body odour - and yes Mr " My-Body-is-a-Temple", it really is necessary to shower before stopping off at the Pub for a swift pint on the way home from the gym.
And see that table outside, the one under the moth-eaten garden-parasol near the single propane outdoor heater that's never got any gas in it - that's now mine - so come Summer all you non-smokers can just f k-off if you even think about sitting there during the brief break in the rain to sup your half of bloody lager and eat your poor excuse for a bar-snack - I staked my claim to that crappy square yard of shelter through-out winter, through the sleet and snow, in temperatures below freezing when arctic gales ravaged the land and four layers of clothing failed to prevent hypothermia. While you were all snug and dry in the bar, laughing at us poor smokers huddling together for warmth and protection, you lost the right to use those outdoor facilities - the next self-righteous person say "We're eating here!" in a maner that I deem to be even remotely indignant gets the contents of the butt-bin dumped into the middle of their Burger and Fries.
Come to think of it - all outdoor spaces belong to me - if you are going to eat or drink outside I will sit next to you and light-up - I may even take up cigars just for the occasion.
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Although I have to say, it's quite nice that my shirt doesn't smell like an ashtray the morning after a night in the pub... and I do tend to smoke less than I did back in the days pre-prohibition.
Having said that though - pubs don't smell like pubs anymore - they just smell of old beer, armpits & stale farts - it's worse than the House Of Commons!
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The T
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 11:20 |
What's next? Banning smoking in strip clubs? Banning crack in crack houses?
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Location: Ukraine
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 11:29 |
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Atkingani
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Joined: October 21 2005
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 12:25 |
Dean wrote:
If the UK is going to become the 51st State then I want us to adopt all America's loony laws ... I want guns. Lots of them. Like a great big semi-automatic one with a kick like a mule that can take out a Toyota Landcruiser at 500 paces. With laser sights.
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Man Erg
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 12:36 |
The T wrote:
What's next? Banning smoking in strip clubs? Banning crack in crack houses? |
The way that the world's going they'll ban the crack in your a*se soon
Edited by Man Erg - April 09 2009 at 12:36
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Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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crimhead
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 12:49 |
I have no problem with people smoking but I never understood what the connection with drinking in a bar and having to smoke is.
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The Doctor
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 12:53 |
I'm all for a ban of non-smokers. Keep em out of the damn pubs I say, and the schools and restaurants too. Always stinking up the place with their fresh air. I'm a little tired of hearing about the second hand smoke thing. If you lock someone in a small room with a smoker for 30 years, the chances of them getting cancer is pretty high. But random encounters are not going to cause cancer. And if second hand smoke really causes more deaths than first hand smoke, should I be punished for obviously making the right choice?
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Slartibartfast
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Joined: April 29 2006
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Posted: April 09 2009 at 13:01 |
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