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Keltic 
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 Posted: April 06 2009 at 05:48 |
Is SEBTP the best progressive rock ever ?
What a daft question.
Why is it a daft question ? Well, there is no scientific formula or measuring device which can answer such a question.
It is, as ever, all down to a matter of taste.
If you ( yes YOU out there ! ) think, believe or have decided it is the best prog album ever, then how can anyone disagree - and there dear folks, is the rub !
It is a great album, but I happen to prefer two other Genesis albums over it ; namely, The Lamb Lies Down and Foxtrot. That doesn't mean my opinion holds any more clout than those who prefer Selling England.
I also prefer tinned baked beans over tinned spaghetti. Doesn't mean the Spaghetti lovers have got it all wrong - just means that my palate ( and theirs ) is slightly different, if you see what what I mean. All in the taste of the taster. 
Edited by Keltic - April 06 2009 at 05:49
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 05:27 |
 Henry Plainview wrote:
Nah, but hey, at least it's better than CTTE. |
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Posted: April 06 2009 at 04:26 |
Is Selling England really the greatest prog album?
Possibly. Probably. Arguably. Occasionally.
Easier to listen to than Trespass.
Better songs than Nursery Cryme or Foxtrot.
Less sprawling than The Lamb.
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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ten years after
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Posted: April 04 2009 at 05:25 |
Roj M30 wrote:
An interesting debate here over the relative merits of the major players on SEBTP.
Here's my take, I rate them in this order:-
1. Cinema Show 10/10
2. Firth Of Fifth 9.75/10
3. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight 9.25/10
4. Battle Of Epping Forest 8/10
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Same order for those tracks but i would insert After the Ordeal in 3rd spot.
IMO it's not the greatest prog album (nor the greatest Genesis album) but it's in the 'premier league'. It doesn't seem at all strange that many people think it is.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: April 04 2009 at 05:25 |
SilverEclipse wrote:
I find it to be incredibly overrated. "The Battle Of Epping Forest" and "The Cinema Show", taking up over 20 minutes of the album, meander all over the place and never pull me in like "Supper's Ready".
Foxtrot is better and I can think of a sh*tload of other ones.
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I really like both of the tracks that you cite as reasons not to like SEBTP. That given, of course you are correct in saying that Foxtrot is even better.
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el dingo
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Posted: April 04 2009 at 04:21 |
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I can't pick a favourite from the four mentioned. Just like the flow of the album. Apart from that obvious horrendous little track that ruins the whole shooting match. More Fool Me's very existence means SEBTP cannot be the greatest prog album. But it comes very close - definitely in my top five.
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 15:36 |
Roj M30 wrote:
An interesting debate here over the relative merits of the major players on SEBTP.
Here's my take, I rate them in this order:-
1. Cinema Show 10/10
2. Firth Of Fifth 9.75/10
3. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight 9.25/10
4. Battle Of Epping Forest 8/10
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Yeah, why not?: #1 Cinema Show 10/10 #2 Firth of Fifth 9.5/10 #3 Battle of Epping Forest 8.75/10 #4 Dancing with the Moonlit Knight 8.5/10
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rogerthat
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 05:23 |
Roj M30 wrote:
An interesting debate here over the relative merits of the major players on SEBTP.
Here's my take, I rate them in this order:-
1. Cinema Show 10/10
2. Firth Of Fifth 9.75/10
3. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight 9.25/10
4. Battle Of Epping Forest 8/10
Any other takers? |
It's Firth, Dancing, Epping Forest and Cinema Show in that order for me. Cinema Show is beautiful but sometimes reminds me of Camel.  Firth and Dancing are neck to neck, one has THAT guitar solo, the other has the immortal acapella intro, the album is worth the price on the strength of either of them alone.
Edited by rogerthat - April 03 2009 at 05:23
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Roj
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Posted: April 03 2009 at 05:11 |
An interesting debate here over the relative merits of the major players on SEBTP.
Here's my take, I rate them in this order:-
1. Cinema Show 10/10
2. Firth Of Fifth 9.75/10
3. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight 9.25/10
4. Battle Of Epping Forest 8/10
Any other takers?
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The Quiet One
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Posted: April 02 2009 at 19:36 |
progrocker2244 wrote:
Nightfly wrote:
cacho wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Nightfly wrote:
cacho wrote:
progrocker2244 wrote:
SilverEclipse wrote:
I find it to be incredibly overrated. "The Battle Of Epping Forest" and "The Cinema Show", taking up over 20 minutes of the album, meander all over the place and never pull me in like "Supper's Ready".
Foxtrot is better and I can think of a sh*tload of other ones.
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Cinema Show is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree somewhat about Epping Forest and that it's overrated, but you can't criticize Cinema Show.
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Huh?  Battle of Epping Forest overrated? If there's one song in SEBTP which is under-appreciated, it's Battle of Epping of Forest, almost no one mentions it as a killer track from SEBTP, neither from Genesis' catalogue.
When I first heard SEBTP, my faves were the first 2 classics, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight and Firth of Fifth, now they're the other 2, Cinema Show and Epping Forest, simply stunning, of course, I do still love Firth of Fifth, though lost my love for Dancing, and I kind of think it's overrated.
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 Here here, Epping Forest is an absolute gem. |
Features some of Gabriel's most creative lyrics and some remarkable playing from the band. I absolutely love it.
Here come the cavalry...
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 Both of you are guys of good taste
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Well of course |
I do like Epping Forest, and don't want the wrong impression. I said SOMEWHAT overrated. It's a good song, but doesn't match the perfection of Firth of Fifth or Cinema Show in my mind.
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Still I can't see the overrated word make any sense. No one rates it above any other song off SEBTP, either it's mentioned in the same league as other classic Genesis songs. Overrated does not equal something you like, but you prefer others above it: "I said SOMEWHAT overrated. It's a good song, but doesn't match the perfection of Firth of Fifth or Cinema Show in my mind."
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J-Man
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Posted: April 02 2009 at 19:24 |
Nightfly wrote:
cacho wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Nightfly wrote:
cacho wrote:
progrocker2244 wrote:
SilverEclipse wrote:
I find it to be incredibly overrated. "The Battle Of Epping Forest" and "The Cinema Show", taking up over 20 minutes of the album, meander all over the place and never pull me in like "Supper's Ready".
Foxtrot is better and I can think of a sh*tload of other ones.
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Cinema Show is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree somewhat about Epping Forest and that it's overrated, but you can't criticize Cinema Show.
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Huh? Battle of Epping Forest overrated? If there's one song in SEBTP which is under-appreciated, it's Battle of Epping of Forest, almost no one mentions it as a killer track from SEBTP, neither from Genesis' catalogue.
When I first heard SEBTP, my faves were the first 2 classics, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight and Firth of Fifth, now they're the other 2, Cinema Show and Epping Forest, simply stunning, of course, I do still love Firth of Fifth, though lost my love for Dancing, and I kind of think it's overrated.
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Here here, Epping Forest is an absolute gem. |
Features some of Gabriel's most creative lyrics and some remarkable playing from the band. I absolutely love it.
Here come the cavalry...
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Both of you are guys of good taste
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Well of course |
I do like Epping Forest, and don't want the wrong impression. I said SOMEWHAT overrated. It's a good song, but doesn't match the perfection of Firth of Fifth or Cinema Show in my mind.
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Nightfly
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Posted: April 02 2009 at 12:51 |
cacho wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Nightfly wrote:
cacho wrote:
progrocker2244 wrote:
SilverEclipse wrote:
I find it to be incredibly overrated. "The Battle Of Epping Forest" and "The Cinema Show", taking up over 20 minutes of the album, meander all over the place and never pull me in like "Supper's Ready".
Foxtrot is better and I can think of a sh*tload of other ones.
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Cinema Show is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree somewhat about Epping Forest and that it's overrated, but you can't criticize Cinema Show.
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Huh? Battle of Epping Forest overrated? If there's one song in SEBTP which is under-appreciated, it's Battle of Epping of Forest, almost no one mentions it as a killer track from SEBTP, neither from Genesis' catalogue.
When I first heard SEBTP, my faves were the first 2 classics, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight and Firth of Fifth, now they're the other 2, Cinema Show and Epping Forest, simply stunning, of course, I do still love Firth of Fifth, though lost my love for Dancing, and I kind of think it's overrated.
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Here here, Epping Forest is an absolute gem. |
Features some of Gabriel's most creative lyrics and some remarkable playing from the band. I absolutely love it.
Here come the cavalry...
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Both of you are guys of good taste
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Well of course
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Negoba
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Posted: April 02 2009 at 12:46 |
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I think the Mona Lisa is overrated - the David, however, check out those hands.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: April 02 2009 at 12:45 |
Epignosis wrote:
Nightfly wrote:
cacho wrote:
progrocker2244 wrote:
SilverEclipse wrote:
I find it to be incredibly overrated. "The Battle Of Epping Forest" and "The Cinema Show", taking up over 20 minutes of the album, meander all over the place and never pull me in like "Supper's Ready".
Foxtrot is better and I can think of a sh*tload of other ones.
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Cinema Show is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree somewhat about Epping Forest and that it's overrated, but you can't criticize Cinema Show.
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Huh? Battle of Epping Forest overrated? If there's one song in SEBTP which is under-appreciated, it's Battle of Epping of Forest, almost no one mentions it as a killer track from SEBTP, neither from Genesis' catalogue.
When I first heard SEBTP, my faves were the first 2 classics, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight and Firth of Fifth, now they're the other 2, Cinema Show and Epping Forest, simply stunning, of course, I do still love Firth of Fifth, though lost my love for Dancing, and I kind of think it's overrated.
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Here here, Epping Forest is an absolute gem. |
Features some of Gabriel's most creative lyrics and some remarkable playing from the band. I absolutely love it.
Here come the cavalry...
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Both of you are guys of good taste
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Epignosis
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Posted: April 02 2009 at 12:43 |
Nightfly wrote:
cacho wrote:
progrocker2244 wrote:
SilverEclipse wrote:
I find it to be incredibly overrated. "The Battle Of Epping Forest" and "The Cinema Show", taking up over 20 minutes of the album, meander all over the place and never pull me in like "Supper's Ready".
Foxtrot is better and I can think of a sh*tload of other ones.
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Cinema Show is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree somewhat about Epping Forest and that it's overrated, but you can't criticize Cinema Show.
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Huh? Battle of Epping Forest overrated? If there's one song in SEBTP which is under-appreciated, it's Battle of Epping of Forest, almost no one mentions it as a killer track from SEBTP, neither from Genesis' catalogue.
When I first heard SEBTP, my faves were the first 2 classics, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight and Firth of Fifth, now they're the other 2, Cinema Show and Epping Forest, simply stunning, of course, I do still love Firth of Fifth, though lost my love for Dancing, and I kind of think it's overrated.
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Here here, Epping Forest is an absolute gem. |
Features some of Gabriel's most creative lyrics and some remarkable playing from the band. I absolutely love it.
Here come the cavalry...
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Nightfly
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Posted: April 02 2009 at 12:40 |
cacho wrote:
progrocker2244 wrote:
SilverEclipse wrote:
I find it to be incredibly overrated. "The Battle Of Epping Forest" and "The Cinema Show", taking up over 20 minutes of the album, meander all over the place and never pull me in like "Supper's Ready".
Foxtrot is better and I can think of a sh*tload of other ones.
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Cinema Show is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree somewhat about Epping Forest and that it's overrated, but you can't criticize Cinema Show.
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Huh? Battle of Epping Forest overrated? If there's one song in SEBTP which is under-appreciated, it's Battle of Epping of Forest, almost no one mentions it as a killer track from SEBTP, neither from Genesis' catalogue.
When I first heard SEBTP, my faves were the first 2 classics, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight and Firth of Fifth, now they're the other 2, Cinema Show and Epping Forest, simply stunning, of course, I do still love Firth of Fifth, though lost my love for Dancing, and I kind of think it's overrated.
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Here here, Epping Forest is an absolute gem.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: April 02 2009 at 12:21 |
progrocker2244 wrote:
SilverEclipse wrote:
I find it to be incredibly overrated. "The Battle Of Epping Forest" and "The Cinema Show", taking up over 20 minutes of the album, meander all over the place and never pull me in like "Supper's Ready".
Foxtrot is better and I can think of a sh*tload of other ones.
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Cinema Show is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree somewhat about Epping Forest and that it's overrated, but you can't criticize Cinema Show.
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Huh? Battle of Epping Forest overrated? If there's one song in SEBTP which is under-appreciated, it's Battle of Epping of Forest, almost no one mentions it as a killer track from SEBTP, neither from Genesis' catalogue. When I first heard SEBTP, my faves were the first 2 classics, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight and Firth of Fifth, now they're the other 2, Cinema Show and Epping Forest, simply stunning, of course, I do still love Firth of Fifth, though lost my love for Dancing, and I kind of think it's overrated.
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Posted: April 02 2009 at 11:53 |
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Petrovsk MizinskiKisten musin please.. Seilling is the Best, for all the history
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J-Man
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Posted: April 01 2009 at 16:16 |
SilverEclipse wrote:
I find it to be incredibly overrated. "The Battle Of Epping Forest" and "The Cinema Show", taking up over 20 minutes of the album, meander all over the place and never pull me in like "Supper's Ready".
Foxtrot is better and I can think of a sh*tload of other ones.
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Cinema Show is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree somewhat about Epping Forest and that it's overrated, but you can't criticize Cinema Show.
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SilverEclipse
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Posted: April 01 2009 at 16:14 |
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I find it to be incredibly overrated. "The Battle Of Epping Forest" and "The Cinema Show", taking up over 20 minutes of the album, meander all over the place and never pull me in like "Supper's Ready".
Foxtrot is better and I can think of a sh*tload of other ones.
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"and if the band your in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on the dark side of the moon"
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