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micky 
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 Topic: Socialism.. does anyone have a clue.
Posted: March 26 2009 at 10:43 |
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just what the hell Socialism really is hahhaha
just was reading on ESPN how Congress is going after the BCS for anti-trust violations... and we think PA's is great.. check their message boards... some real winners of the educational system there (probably SEC school grads hahha) people crying about how this country is going down the Socialist path hahhah.
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Padraic
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 10:49 |
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What's funny is that what I see with the Obama administration re: banks is that they're doing everything except the "socialist" solution: nationalization/receivership, which actually might have the best chance of success. In any event, instead of going down that path they pursue half-ass solutions such as this public/private toxic asset scheme, which is only in the end a massive ripoff to the taxpayer.
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Negoba
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 10:56 |
Socialism is a grand idea that has failed to work in some of its most extreme attempts, but is part of virtually every government that has ever been. The options are complete despotism or complete libertarianism.
It's pretty difficult to have a civilized society without an educated populace.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Padraic
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 10:59 |
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For the record, I don't believe socialism (read: central planning and state ownership of industry) works and am against it, but we are nowhere even close to it in this country.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:01 |
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Socialism.
It's what's in my avatar.
lol.
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Epignosis
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:05 |
 HughesJB4 wrote:
Socialism.
It's what's in my avatar.
lol.
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Shroom-eating, turtle-killing, plumbers? 
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:06 |
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micky
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:08 |
NaturalScience wrote:
For the record, I don't believe socialism (read: central planning and state ownership of industry) works and am against it, but we are nowhere even close to it in this country.
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 nowhere close to it... what we are doing.. hopefully... is turning away from an unfettered free-market system. Like I said in the health care thread... everything should not be a commodity to be bought and sold... there should.. and can exist institutions. ...industries whose soul purpose is not making a profit... but making a difference.
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Epignosis
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:08 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
Socialism.
It's what's in my avatar.
lol.
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Shroom-eating, turtle-killing, plumbers?
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Invest in a set of contact lenses sir:P
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I get the joke, Harry. 
Plus I checked the name of the image just to be sure. 
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:23 |
Socialism. mmm ....
mmm.....
mmm....
Well Socialism is not what many goverments in the past have been, at least they derive as a totalitarian states.
One thing is that you say that socialism is what you might think it is and other is what really is.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:29 |
Heh, before the US could even get remotely close to socialist, you can
rely on ultra right wing underground madman to fix things up.
But yeah, not entirely sure about this US situation, I have not been
reading up enough on politics/economics at all lately (too much time
spent reading about music related things  ).
Well, in Australia anyway, you get a fair number of people fed up with
privately owned infrastructure like the rail network in Melbourne,
which has trained that get frequently canceled and delayed, and lots of
people want it handed back to the government instead, since apparently
they could run it better. A lot of people think handing back the telecommunication system in Aus back to the government should happen to, but I just think trying to make that transition back to a Government run thing would just result in a major f**k up somewhere along the line, but that's me. Mixed economies have been around for ages and despite people wanting this or that change, if someone just throws it out there that tomorrow suddenly things are gonna be more socialist, poo hits the fan because people are chicken sh*t of change. The economy could collapse several times over in the US and I bet people would still flinch at the idea of a socialist state. It's change, which isn't good for people that get comfortable and complacent.
Edited by HughesJB4 - March 26 2009 at 11:30
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micky
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:30 |
^^ and of course we have the current 3rd option.. the boogyman used to scare the ignorant who get told what to think by some in the media. What it is... or even what it might be isn't even thought of... it is a political by-word thrown around to oppose any plan to fix what is broken that doesn't involve letting the whole goddamn thing fall apart and pick up the pieces afterward. a mess by the way.. that their profit at all cost, free-market policies created... that makes the pill that much bitter for them to swallow...
Edited by micky - March 26 2009 at 11:32
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Finnforest
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:44 |
Wealth redistribution is a beautiful thing. Bring it on, Obama.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Epignosis
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:47 |
Finnforest wrote:
Wealth redistribution is a beautiful thing. Bring it on, Obama. |
Fancy term for "stealing" if you ask me.
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LinusW
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:49 |
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Ah yes. Opinions. I have many.
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Finnforest
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:49 |
Epignosis wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
Wealth redistribution is a beautiful thing. Bring it on, Obama. |
Fancy term for "stealing" if you ask me.
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Yeah, bring it on 
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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micky
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:50 |
Finnforest wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
Wealth redistribution is a beautiful thing. Bring it on, Obama. |
Fancy term for "stealing" if you ask me.
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Yeah, bring it on |
damn right... call it stealing... from the thieves....
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:51 |
Epignosis wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
Wealth redistribution is a beautiful thing. Bring it on, Obama. |
Fancy term for "stealing" if you ask me.
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When workers don't get paid fairly who's doing the stealing there?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Padraic
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:52 |
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Epignosis
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Posted: March 26 2009 at 11:53 |
You're right. Businesses should pay $200 an hour no matter what the worker does or how much education / experience they have. 
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Socialism.. does anyone have a clue.
