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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 11:00
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

There is no "best" prog album. Anyone who tries to say there is should try to get a job with a pretentious, head-up-ass magazine, like RollingStone or NME.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:50
There is no "best" prog album. Anyone who tries to say there is should try to get a job with a pretentious, head-up-ass magazine, like RollingStone or NME.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:50
an album has to be known to be recognized. there are probably a lot of better albums, probably even a lot of that would be considered to be "better" by those who currently think SEBTP is the best, if only they knew of them. it is the same with books. do you have any idea how many masterpieces have been written that just never were discovered? a good example of an almost forgotten masterpiece is "Les Chants de Maldoror" by Lautréamont. if surrealist Philppe Soupault had not discovered it by chance in 1917 (in the mathematic section of a small Parisian bookshop, of all places!) and had passed it on to André Breton, who was as equally enthusiastic about the book as Soupault, we would have been bereft of what is now widely considered to be a masterpiece of French literature


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:48
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Interesting that SEBTP contains BEST (P)... Tongue
 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:46
I don't care much for it. Moonlit Knight and Firth of Fifth are awesome songs, but the rest of the album is pretty average. Foxtrot and Trespass, on the other hand, are pure brilliance from beginning to end.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:44
Interesting that SEBTP contains BEST (P)... Tongue
 
No, it's not really the "best", I go with Ricochet: SEBTP = top rated (as of 25, March, 2009). Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:38
Well actually people tend to forget that there is no such thing as BEST, there is only FAVOURITE... and while SEBTP is a hell of an album, my FAVOURITE is TFTO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:32
Originally posted by progrocker2244 progrocker2244 wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Offf...every time an album (other than CTTE) is #1 on the "Top rated prog albums" list, someone jumps in and ask "I don't find it the best prog album ever released".

It's the "top rated prog albums" list, people. Top rated =/= best prog album ever.


Just notice that most people have said that it's not their favorite prog album. Sure it's the top rated, but is that because it's the best or because of it's popularity.

It's a great album. I gave it 5/5 stars, but I still don't think it's the greatest prog album. There are probably a lot of people like me, who love it, gave it 5 stars, but still don't think it's the best. Because so many prog fans know of this album, and also love it, that's probably how it got to be the highest rated prog album, possibly without being the best.



It's because of popularity, because there are many "ratings without reviews" which don't state anything at all, as far as arguments go (especially not if it's the greatest prog album ever) - plus many reviewers just gave 5 stars because it's the best Genesis in their vision, or it's an extraordinary prog album.

My point was that we don't need to signal every change of top 1 spot between Close To The Edge, SEBTP, Thick As A Brick (it's always these three or so anyway), and then turn it into a discussion "is album #1 the best prog album ever?" (which has been done more than enough times by now Wink).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:29
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Offf...every time an album (other than CTTE) is #1 on the "Top rated prog albums" list, someone jumps in and ask "I don't find it the best prog album ever released".

It's the "top rated prog albums" list, people. Top rated =/= best prog album ever.


Just notice that most people have said that it's not their favorite prog album. Sure it's the top rated, but is that because it's the best or because of it's popularity.

It's a great album. I gave it 5/5 stars, but I still don't think it's the greatest prog album. There are probably a lot of people like me, who love it, gave it 5 stars, but still don't think it's the best. Because so many prog fans know of this album, and also love it, that's probably how it got to be the highest rated prog album, possibly without being the best.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:26
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

There exists no album, prog or otherwise, that I could possibly rank above all others.


So...Western Culture and Love Beach are of the same rank for you?


Goof.  Wink

I can easily rank Western Culture above Love Beach.

I cannot rank Western Culture above every other album I have.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:24
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

There exists no album, prog or otherwise, that I could possibly rank above all others.


So...Western Culture and Love Beach are of the same rank for you?


Goof.  Wink

I can easily rank Western Culture above Love Beach.

I cannot rank Western Culture above every other album I have.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:24
For me CTTE is what I consider to have all the elements for the top prog album.
As far as Genesis, I think Lamb is their best album however I think it is good that the top rated albums change from time to time. Otherwise it would be a boring listing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:21
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

There exists no album, prog or otherwise, that I could possibly rank above all others.


So...Western Culture and Love Beach are of the same rank for you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:19
There exists no album, prog or otherwise, that I could possibly rank above all others.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:18
It may well be. It has some unbelievable work on it that ranks up there. It has two different songs (Firth and Moonlit Knight) that may be the best prog song of all time. At the same time, it's far from flawless.
 
CTTE and Dark Side are closer to flawless, but DSOTM isn't exactly the best example of what I think of as Prog.
 
There are a number of albums that if someone threw it out and said they thought it was the #1 prog album of all time, I'd say "ok sure." 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:02
Well, it's my favourite Genesis album, personally I think it's their best.
 
Is it the best of them all? Probably not, but it's pretty close.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 09:59
Offf...every time an album (other than CTTE) is #1 on the "Top rated prog albums" list, someone jumps in and ask "I don't find it the best prog album ever released".

It's the "top rated prog albums" list, people. Top rated =/= best prog album ever.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 09:49
I think not, that's just good concurrence of circumstances. In other sites, other great album had this good concurrence of circumstances to became number 1. In our site SEBTP had this luck. SEBTP is SEBTP. It will be the same album if it drops to 2,3,4,5 or 10 place. It will not became another album. It's the same with the other great albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 09:45
I have fond memories of the album when I first heard it and it still turns up in my circulation, but this whole "greatest" or "best" thing is nuts.  But then I don't want to personally engage you in the battle of Epping Forest or anything. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 09:43
It's pretty darn good, but there are better albums.
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