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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 04:06 |
CPicard wrote:
Are you mad or what? What is this kind of sick cultural relativism? Pink Floyd VS. Mozart? Seriously, how can one discuss a rock band over one of the most important composer of European culture? What is next? "Do you prefer the "Watchmen" or the "Eneide"? "Bill Paterson or Michelangelo"?
I could understand a poll opposing Mozart to Haydn, Beethoven to Schubert or other composers. But this poll is arguably one of the most debatable thing I ever read on this forum.
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We can discuss a rock band over one of the most important composers of European culture because first and foremost, this is an internet forum There are no hard and fast rules saying that you can only pit a classical composer against another classical composer. Some people are elitists and will only listen to certain music because of 'high cultural' level. For the rest of us, we go based on how much we enjoy the music and how much it emotes to us, regardless of how technical, how complex and how 'high class' it is. Music is not a sport, it is not about out doing each other with how technical it can be, how complex the compositions are and how 'intellectual' it is. And because of this I can comfortably say I'd rather listen to Linkin Park's debut album instead of some of Mozart's pieces.
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sweetleaf
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 13:31 |
This was a great question and for once a poll I had to think long and hard about... however I went with Pink Floyd... because if there was no Mozart there may still have been Bach or Beethoven. But if their was no Pink Floyd I can't imagine what my foundations in rock music would have been. That was tough, in fact I still am not sure I made the right decision.
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 14:53 |
Vote for Floyd
Because i like their music
and is a prog forum
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claugroi
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 15:15 |
One of the best Prog bands vs one of the best classical composers. Two completely different things, I can't compare.
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angelmk
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 16:55 |
i think poll wasn't to compare the artists but just say which of the two you like more.
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ten years after
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 21:02 |
infandous wrote:
Yes, this is certainly one of those "apples to oranges" comparisons.......or rather "apples to jackhammers" maybe. There is simply no comparison, no common ground outside of the fact that both created music in some fashion.
However, if we're talking personal preference, I suppose I'd go with Floyd simply because I don't listen to classical all that often (and I enjoy other composers more than Mozart for the most part). If we're talking about who has contributed more to music, Mozart would win without any room for argument. If we're talking about which is better, which is a completely subjective notion, I'd go with Mozart.
Silly poll.
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In what way is it a silly poll?
If you read the question it quite clearly asks who you prefer, not who is best or has contributed most.
It is perfectly logical on a prog forum to ask whether people prefer to listen to the most famous prog band or the most famous classical composer. Especially because prog has often sought to merge the two genres.
Edited by ten years after - March 21 2009 at 02:35
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Peter
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 21:17 |
Peter wrote:
Love 'em both, but for the proposed desert island scenario, I think I'd tire of the Floyd much sooner than I would the Mozart.
And all alone like that, on a desert island, do you really want to be listening to a lot of Floyd lyrics every day? "Dragged down by the stone...." To say nothing of "and in the end you'll pack up and fly down south -- hide your head in the sand. Just another sad old man, all alone and dying of cancer."
^ Not exactly uplifting, given the circumstances! |
Ahem....
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ten years after
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Posted: March 20 2009 at 21:26 |
The T wrote:
First off, to the thread starter... you can't buy Mozart "albums". There are no Mozart "albums". There are recordings of his music. We're not talking about a rock-pop artist that records "albums". Classical Composers wrote music. Later that music has been recorded in discs or vinyl. but those are recordings of their works, not "albums".
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This is just plain wrong. Dark Side of the Moon is an album which contains a recording of one of Pink Floyd's works. This is exactly the same principle as an album of , say, The Marriage of Figaro which contains a recording of one of Mozart's works.
The only difference is that in one case the composers were physically involved in making the recording whereas in the other case he wasn't. This doesn't stop it being a Mozart album.
Edited by ten years after - March 20 2009 at 21:27
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 02:10 |
Just because there are Mozart albums doesn't mean you should talk about his work in the form of albums.
Peter wrote:
Peter wrote:
Love 'em both, but for the proposed desert island scenario, I think I'd tire of the Floyd much sooner than I would the Mozart.
And all alone like that, on a desert island, do you really want to be listening to a lot of Floyd lyrics every day? "Dragged down by the stone...." To say nothing of "and in the end you'll pack up and fly down south -- hide your head in the sand. Just another sad old man, all alone and dying of cancer."
^ Not exactly uplifting, given the circumstances! |
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We read it the first time. Some people would rather be unhappy! :P
I'd rather be unhappy than listen to Shakira, I can tell you that.
Edited by Henry Plainview - March 21 2009 at 02:11
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InvisibleUnicorns
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 02:26 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Just because there are Mozart albums doesn't mean you should talk about his work in the form of albums. |
This. You can call an album of Mozart's music a Mozart album, but it's not a Mozart album in the same fashion as DSOTM is a Pink Floyd album, since Mozart did not specifically arrange the track order to constitute an album.
Any Mozart album would have to be placed on the same status as a Pink Floyd compilation, in essence.
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 03:06 |
InvisibleUnicorns wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
Just because there are Mozart albums doesn't mean you should talk about his work in the form of albums. |
This. You can call an album of Mozart's music a Mozart album, but it's not a Mozart album in the same fashion as DSOTM is a Pink Floyd album, since Mozart did not specifically arrange the track order to constitute an album.
Any Mozart album would have to be placed on the same status as a Pink Floyd compilation, in essence.
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If I take DSOTM to a desert island i am taking a single Pink Floyd work on a CD. Convention has taken to call this an album.
A Mozart opera would also be a single work sold as a CD. Conventionally it isn't called an album but in the end it is just the same.
If the (double) CD contained 9 consecutive Mozart symphonies I still don't have any problem with calling it an album. It would be similar in nature to Ummagumma which also contains 9 separate works which were in no way conceived as a single entity.
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angelmk
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 04:27 |
Peter wrote:
Peter wrote:
Love 'em both, but for the proposed desert island scenario, I think I'd tire of the Floyd much sooner than I would the Mozart.
^ Not exactly uplifting, given the circumstances! |
Ahem.... |
man, if i would be stuck on 53 desert islands consecutively ,i would still listen Pink Floyd all day long than Mozart. you can be sure for that. i don't care about lyrics at all. Their music captures me ..
Edited by angelmk - March 21 2009 at 06:17
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 06:02 |
Peter wrote:
Love 'em both, but for the proposed desert island scenario, I think I'd tire of the Floyd much sooner than I would the Mozart.
And all alone like that, on a desert island, do you really want to be listening to a lot of Floyd lyrics every day? "Dragged down by the stone...." To say nothing of "and in the end you'll pack up and fly down south -- hide your head in the sand. Just another sad old man, all alone and dying of cancer."
^ Not exactly uplifting, given the circumstances! |
I'd love to listen to PF lyrics all day if I were stuck on a desert islane
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 06:03 |
ten years after wrote:
InvisibleUnicorns wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
Just because there are Mozart albums doesn't mean you should talk about his work in the form of albums. |
This. You can call an album of Mozart's music a Mozart album, but it's not a Mozart album in the same fashion as DSOTM is a Pink Floyd album, since Mozart did not specifically arrange the track order to constitute an album.
Any Mozart album would have to be placed on the same status as a Pink Floyd compilation, in essence.
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If I take DSOTM to a desert island i am taking a single Pink Floyd work on a CD. Convention has taken to call this an album.
A Mozart opera would also be a single work sold as a CD. Conventionally it isn't called an album but in the end it is just the same.
If the (double) CD contained 9 consecutive Mozart symphonies I still don't have any problem with calling it an album. It would be similar in nature to Ummagumma which also contains 9 separate works which were in no way conceived as a single entity. |
Not albums.
InvisibleUnicorns wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
Just because there are Mozart albums doesn't
mean you should talk about his work in the form of albums. |
This.
You can call an album of Mozart's music a Mozart album, but it's not a
Mozart album in the same fashion as DSOTM is a Pink Floyd album, since
Mozart did not specifically arrange the track order to constitute an
album.
Any Mozart album would have to be placed on the same status as a Pink Floyd compilation, in essence.
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I shall third this.
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Peter
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 09:19 |
angelmk wrote:
Peter wrote:
Peter wrote:
Love 'em both, but for the proposed desert island scenario, I think I'd tire of the Floyd much sooner than I would the Mozart.
^ Not exactly uplifting, given the circumstances! |
Ahem.... |
man, if i would be stuck on 53 desert islands consecutively ,i would still listen Pink Floyd all day long than Mozart. you can be sure for that. i don't care about lyrics at all. Their music captures me .. |
I love the music too, and normally I'm fine with Floyd's darker lyrics, but lyrics do mean a lot to me, and I just think, in that situation, they'd depress me.
'Home, home again...."
'I've always been mad...."
Perhaps the situation seems worse to a married man who has children (like myself). I'd be terribly lonely for my family. The (normally sprightly) Mozart might help me endure the awful situation better.
At home, of course, I listen to Floyd far more often than ol' Wolfgang Amadeus. Mozart is good music for studying, writing, reading, etc. -- music with (English) lyrics interferes with my concentration upon the words on the page.
Edited by Peter - March 21 2009 at 09:41
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angelmk
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 09:31 |
Peter wrote:
angelmk wrote:
Peter wrote:
Peter wrote:
Love 'em both, but for the proposed desert island scenario, I think I'd tire of the Floyd much sooner than I would the Mozart.
^ Not exactly uplifting, given the circumstances! |
Ahem.... |
man, if i would be stuck on 53 desert islands consecutively ,i would still listen Pink Floyd all day long than Mozart. you can be sure for that. i don't care about lyrics at all. Their music captures me .. |
I love the music too, and normally I'm fine with Floyd's darker lyrics, but lyric do mean a lot to me, and i just think, in that situation, they'd depress me.
'Home, home again...."
'I've always been mad...."
Perhaps the situation seems worse to a married man who has children (like myself). I'd be terribly lonely for my family. The (normally sprightly) Mozart might help me edure the awful situation better.
At home, of course, I listen to Floyd far more often than ol' Wolfgang Amadeus. Mozart is good music for studying, writing, reading, etc. -- music with (English) lyrics interferes with my concentration upon the words on the page. |
and that changes the situation radicaly. you will miss your family a lot.. not even Mozart will help you unlike me, am not married ..so floyd will be enough for me. i am not a such person .. i don't focus on lyrics ..
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Nuke
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Posted: March 21 2009 at 10:41 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Nuke wrote:
His music was poppy, sure, but distate for all things poppy is your problem, not the music's. |
442 Plays: SHAKIRA? |
My guilty pleasure (to be fair though, she is probably the best mainstream pop artist right now...)
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Posted: March 22 2009 at 16:32 |
Was the question which you prefer or which would be more suited to sanity in a desert island situation?
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Posted: March 22 2009 at 17:28 |
OT Räihälä wrote:
Neither are my favourites (both have fantastic moments!), but considering this desert island matter, I'd go for Mozart. |
How close is the nearest desert island to you?
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Posted: March 23 2009 at 12:56 |
Anderson III wrote:
Floyd has two incredible albums under their belt: DSOTM and WYWH, and I simply worship both... but come on!!!
Mozart wins quite easily.
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There's no getting away from the fact they both composed some mighty fine tunes tho.
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