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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2009 at 09:34
Anyone able to substantiate this explanation of the story behind the creation of the (illogical) Farrenheit measurement scale?
 
"Fahrenheit was an instrument maker. He only had limited materials in his lab. 0 was the temperature of a salt, ice water mixture (easy to produce by all) and 100 was body temperature. Thus he invented a metric scale based on human experiences. Except at extremes, the temperatures most experienced by humans are between 0 and 100. This was a logical scale for egocentric peoples of that age. When the scientist got hold of the instrument, they re-calibrated for freezing and boiling of water and thus set (and slightly changed) the original scale to 32 and 212. Thus 98.6 body temp and 180 divisions between boiling and freezing. The scale is still a great human scale. 50 means 1/2 way to body temp therefore cool, 75 is 3/4 so warm, 100 is body temp so hot, So unlike the Celsius scale when someone says 30, I know to bundle up, not wear shorts. Celsius shrinks all normal human temps to about 40 degrees. Therefore necessitating fractional reporting of temp ie. 25.3 degrees. Great for scientist, bad for human everyday use."
 
...though I am not at all enthusiastic on the use of Fahrenheit like the person who created this answer. About the only time I use a reference to Fahrenheit is when it get over 100F and out comes the old "it's over 100 in the old scale".
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2009 at 11:50
^ I'm pre-decimalisation English - I still use Fahrenheit for anything non-scientific (most scientific formula use the Kelvin, not Celsius). Scales are artificial and abstract - they are useful when relaying information to another person who uses the same scale, but for personal use any measure will do. For example when measuring length I'll happily use meters, feet, inches and millimetres as and when required: 3m 4" 5mm is a perfectly usable measure of length; as is the CD case, a Penny or a cigarette packet (this desk is 8 packs-lengths high - when I go to Ikea for a replacement I'll buy one that is also 8 pack-lengths high) because I never carry a tape-measure with me.
 
Coming from a temperate climate -20ºC is as incomprehensible to me as -4ºF - I have no point of reference for it any more than I have for 0ºK or the temperature of a penguin's butt-feathers, all I can say is 'gosh, that's cold', and still sound unconvincing, but then today is cold to me ... google weather tells me it's +3ºC here now, if I go out I'll wear a coat. If it said it was 40ºC, I'd still wear a coat, but I might take it off after a few minutes.
 
If I'm cold I'll put the heating on, if I'm hot I'll open a window - I don't need a thermometer to know when to do that, whether it's 15ºC, 60ºF or 288ºK is immaterial - if I erase all the numbers off my central heating thermostat I can still set it to turn on when I feel cold and turn off when I feel comfortable. Likewise, I don't use a thermometer when running a bath or brewing a pot of tea or storing a tub of ice-cream in the freezer and I can't set my kitchen oven to an exact temperature so why even bother trying (Hot, Medium and Low are all I need to cook anything).
 
Some way back someone said we often use Fahrenheit for hot and Celsius for cold... that's probably true now, but in the good old days temperatures below freezing were always expressed as negatives even on the Fahrenheit scale - when a Fahrenheit-person said it was -3º they meant 3º below freezing -that it was 29ºF (not  -3ºC) and I guess that habit has just carried on and been transfered to the Celsius scale.
 
Anyway... no snow here. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2009 at 20:02
We are in the midst of a heatwave here, so far, highest temperature in Adelaide was just under 46 c(where my mum is holidaying it was 48.5 C) on tuesday. As i type this its 41 and the weather reports are saying 40 plus temps until next friday(feb 6)

somebody PLEASE put up some soothing snow pics so i can imagine what its like to be nice and coldCry

And i repeat my earlier request, PLEASE SEND RAIN!!!CryCry

One plus though....if it can be called a plus,(dry electrical storms can be spectacular!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2009 at 20:47
For the whole Fahrenheit/Celsius debate, I am an American who very much wishes we never adopted our horrible temperature, volume and distance measurement systems. As an aspiring scientist I always work with the metric system which makes sense although I can't relate those numbers to anything. I would have no problem saying it's -20C instead of -4F. Unfortunately it would take a lot of work and a long time to be able to adopt the metric system as a second language. Maybe one day.

As for requests of snow pictures, I shall take some of a frozen Lake Erie, some snow-covered fields/parks and maybe some Pictures of A City if it isn't too depressing to look at (Cleveland).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2009 at 02:24
I was speaking to a friend last weekend about the weather she missed at new year (she was in Goa at the time ) & she recalled speaking to a Canadian friend who said it was -35 degrees; when asked whether that was F or C the reply was "it's -35 degrees... at this temperature it doesn't matter"

Originally posted by Dean (tempting fate?<img src=smileys/smiley24.gif border=0 align=middle />) Dean (tempting fate?) wrote:

Anyway... no snow here.


According to the BBC this morning a lot of snow could be on its way for Sunday across the whole eastern coastline & inland for Monday; which probably means two flakes will fall in a field outside Newcastle, thereby bringing the entire UK road system to a grinding halt.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2009 at 11:08
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

I was speaking to a friend last weekend about the weather she missed at new year (she was in Goa at the time ) & she recalled speaking to a Canadian friend who said it was -35 degrees; when asked whether that was F or C the reply was "it's -35 degrees... at this temperature it doesn't matter"


And were it -40 then it really wouldn't matter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2009 at 16:45
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Dean (tempting fate?<img src=smileys/smiley24.gif border=0 align=middle />) Dean (tempting fate?) wrote:

Anyway... no snow here.


According to the BBC this morning a lot of snow could be on its way for Sunday across the whole eastern coastline & inland for Monday; which probably means two flakes will fall in a field outside Newcastle, thereby bringing the entire UK road system to a grinding halt.
Yep - it's official, Hampshire is now on the eastern coastline. Confused
 
Weird thing, the snow is settling on the surface of my fish pond - I don't know whether that's a normal phenomenon, this is the first year I've simultaneously had a fish pond and snow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2009 at 21:57
As was promised, here are some pictures of Lake Erie.







And here's the link if you want to see the rest. http://www.flickr.com/photos/33062441@N02/
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2009 at 23:56
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH nice and cold,Thanks captainSmile

Interesting pics too!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 02:26
Yes. Sh!t loads. According to the news this morning, Britain is exeriencing an 'Extreme Weather Event'

It is pretty bad, by our standards, especially here in the south. There's around 4 inches or so on the ground, and it's still coming down. The worst is, apparently, still to come. It's bad, but an 'extreme weather event' ....? The met office and media do tend to over dramatise somewhat....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 02:35
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

According to the BBC this morning a lot of snow could be on its way for Sunday across the whole eastern coastline & inland for Monday; which probably means two flakes will fall in a field outside Newcastle, thereby bringing the entire UK road system to a grinding halt.
Yep - it's official, Hampshire is now on the eastern coastline. Confused]Weird thing, the snow is settling on the surface of my fish pond - I don't know whether that's a normal phenomenon, this is the first year I've simultaneously had a fish pond and snow.



Nice shot Dean - will your fish build a snowcarp?

It appears Stevenage is also on the eastern coastline now

Not too bad at the moment, about 4 inches of snow (but depending on which weather report you listen to, a lot more to come this afternoon), all schools closed (never happened in my day ), no public transport, roads gritted, so driving on a couple of inches of slush (not recommended) & unsurprisingly, on my tod in the office fielding calls from people who either can't get in because of the roads or public transport or because their kids' schools are closed.



Looks pretty though.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 02:49
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

According to the BBC this morning a lot of snow could be on its way for Sunday across the whole eastern coastline & inland for Monday; which probably means two flakes will fall in a field outside Newcastle, thereby bringing the entire UK road system to a grinding halt.
Yep - it's official, Hampshire is now on the eastern coastline. Confused]Weird thing, the snow is settling on the surface of my fish pond - I don't know whether that's a normal phenomenon, this is the first year I've simultaneously had a fish pond and snow.



Nice shot Dean - will your fish build a snowcarp?

It appears Stevenage is also on the eastern coastline now

Not too bad at the moment, about 4 inches of snow (but depending on which weather report you listen to, a lot more to come this afternoon), all schools closed (never happened in my day ), no public transport, roads gritted, so driving on a couple of inches of slush (not recommended) & unsurprisingly, on my tod in the office fielding calls from people who either can't get in because of the roads or public transport or because their kids' schools are closed.



Looks pretty though.


Yeah, I've heard differing reports. I wish they'd make up their minds..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 04:42
A couple of pictures for you all from the field at the back of my house, the first from the hard frost of last month:
 
compared to the same shot from this morning showing 10cm of snow:
 
...I prefer the first myself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 06:14
It's started snowing again, where I am. The site is closing at 12:30 and we're all going home!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 07:23

I am also housebound today. It is snowing like hell, it is cold and I am on make-blood-into-water tablets due to the risk of blood cloth. My tolerance to cold weather is not great in other words.

I am on house cleaning duty today, but I have no chemicals in my house. I need to get to the shops, in other words. (expletives removed) 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 13:21
Here's a picture of my ladyfriend with the snowman we made today. It's something of a snow self-portrait 'cause he's wearing my hat and specs:




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 13:35
That's what I call being unfaithful...... LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 14:17
It's an open relationship. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 14:43
I can only imagine the carrot is more pleasurable than an apple.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2009 at 14:47
someone got the cold shoulder Wink
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