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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2009 at 09:32
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Originally posted by Swan Song Swan Song wrote:

^ I listened to "Darwin" and I dislikled the music and the voice in particular but it was nothing special. What I find disgusting is the ideological message. Very primitive from an intellectual perspective and very aggresively delivered. Yuck!
 
it is all a matter of  taste.. Just like food. Some people likes meat and some don't. I particularly Love Banco ( and maybe I am a ignorant like many Italian Prog fans that don't understand the language Confused) but I surely love the melodies that their brains create through their instruments.
However I do remember very clearly not having this profound love for banco when I first heard them. I dislike the vocals and the sound quality of the albums were poor, However their sound grew on me so much that is one fav of the Italian's Prog scene and also their re-master albums had helped tremendously.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2009 at 09:46
Originally posted by Swan Song Swan Song wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by Swan Song Swan Song wrote:

^ I listened to "Darwin" and I dislikled the music and the voice in particular but it was nothing special. What I find disgusting is the ideological message. Very primitive from an intellectual perspective and very aggresively delivered. Yuck!
 
Well don't except a philosophical treatment of the subject, is only just an valid effort to show the music that to me is greatWink


As a prog-fan I always come back to an album I didn't like and give it several chances, just like it I did with Pawn Hearts for example - I found it horrible at the beginning, now I love it. I would do that too for Banco, I'd try acquire that taste - but the message will always put me off even before starting.

BTW I am talking about Darwin and it's anti-religious subject. What are their other albums about?
 
ah, ok
Listen to their first album and Io Sono Nato Libero.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2009 at 09:49

Guys what do you think about this Osanna track: Everybody Gonna See You Die.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2009 at 10:31
Originally posted by Swan Song Swan Song wrote:

I listened to "Darwin" and I dislikled the music and the voice in particular but it was nothing special. What I find disgusting is the ideological message. Very primitive from an intellectual perspective and very aggresively delivered. 

I guess you speak Italian. Please give us some examples of primitivity (translated in English). What is the ideological message of the album?

When I learned Italian (though only in a short period of time, and I was not a good pupil, so I "parlo italiano ma brutto" , I should say bruttissimoLOL), my teacher, natural born Italian, told me Banco lyrics are excellent and often complex.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2009 at 15:44
^ Remember, I didn't say it's lyrically primitive, but ideologically primitive. From the first two verses of the lyrics it already claims that my Christian Faith in a nonsense made up by my limited thinking. Having lived in a country where faith (of any kind) was forbidden, I find it repulsive and feel like throwing up. I don't mind spiritual skepticism and virtuous atheism, but that's something totally different.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2009 at 16:05
Well, as a native speaker of Italian, I can tell you that Darwin's original lyrics don't mention anything like nonsense or limited thinking. They just say, "try to think in a slightly different way', which is (sorry for the pun) quite different.  The only line I can see as somewhat offensive from your point of view is when it says, "e io stupido ancora a credere/a chi mi dice che la carne č polvere", which should however be read in context - that is, our flesh will not become dust, but be transformed, and in turn give life to other organisms.

That said, I can understand your experience, but as someone who lived for almost 50 years in a country where the Church still holds a lot of sway and tries to dictate people's behaviour, I can understand Banco's stance.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2009 at 16:24
Swan Song, do you mean every mention of Darwin and his theory is offensive?

I lived almost half of my life in a country where religions were not welcomed (USSR). Now, though I live in the same city, the church is sometimes too active. I remember parents of one schoolgirl came to the court with a petition against studying Darwin theory in schools. They told their daughter's religious feelings suffer because of this. Isn't it crazy? 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2009 at 01:50
@ Raff: May impressions may be that strong also because the message is so very powerfully delivered. If I only read the lines they don't compare the slightest to the way I feel them when sang by Di Giaccomo.

@NotAProgHead: I don't find Darwin's theory itself or the mention of it offensive. I believe in Darwin's theory myself. What I find offensive is the mention that having a religious faith means close-minded-ness or how that's called.

Seems like everyone here understands the other's position (for example I can understand both the position about the Catholic Church and NotAProghead's stand about the Russian Orthodox Church), so let's move on. LOL




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Originally posted by DamoXt7942 DamoXt7942 wrote:

Originally posted by williamthepimp williamthepimp wrote:

HI Guys, I saw - many many years ago - one of the first italian concerts of PFM (they were the support for the Colosseum tour) - New Trolls - Orme.
Italian prog is very great and bands like Osanna - New Trolls - Orme (the last "Live in Pensilvanya" is very amazing) - Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Formula 3 and all the others are very very fantastic. Also today this music is incredible if you think that many of them were playing in tellers.
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And also feel so fresh and novel with now listening to older Italian stuffs.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2009 at 03:59
Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Originally posted by Swan Song Swan Song wrote:

I listened to "Darwin" and I dislikled the music and the voice in particular but it was nothing special. What I find disgusting is the ideological message. Very primitive from an intellectual perspective and very aggresively delivered. 

I guess you speak Italian. Please give us some examples of primitivity (translated in English). What is the ideological message of the album?

When I learned Italian (though only in a short period of time, and I was not a good pupil, so I "parlo italiano ma brutto" , I should say bruttissimoLOL), my teacher, natural born Italian, told me Banco lyrics are excellent and often complex.
 
Like all IP lyrics!!!
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Originally posted by Swan Song Swan Song wrote:

^ Remember, I didn't say it's lyrically primitive, but ideologically primitive. From the first two verses of the lyrics it already claims that my Christian Faith in a nonsense made up by my limited thinking. Having lived in a country where faith (of any kind) was forbidden, I find it repulsive and feel like throwing up. I don't mind spiritual skepticism and virtuous atheism, but that's something totally different.
 
Well... Frankly, this type of speech are correct... But wrong. Because you see... As' Darwin! ' is a concept album about Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution... I do not understand the attacks of atheism or similar things... Also because the subject is Charles Darwin and his 'theory of Evolution'... And if you have some time the story of Darwin in the brain... Do you understand the significance of this concept album!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2009 at 04:11
Originally posted by Mandrakeroot Mandrakeroot wrote:

Originally posted by DamoXt7942 DamoXt7942 wrote:

Originally posted by williamthepimp williamthepimp wrote:

HI Guys, I saw - many many years ago - one of the first italian concerts of PFM (they were the support for the Colosseum tour) - New Trolls - Orme.
Italian prog is very great and bands like Osanna - New Trolls - Orme (the last "Live in Pensilvanya" is very amazing) - Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Formula 3 and all the others are very very fantastic. Also today this music is incredible if you think that many of them were playing in tellers.
Long life (live) to Italian Prog.
 
I think you're Right. Clap
And also feel so fresh and novel with now listening to older Italian stuffs.
 
I confirm all ClapClapClapClapClap!!!
 
Me?...Just now learnin' 'bout Italian prog... Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2009 at 04:33
Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Guys what do you think about this Osanna track: Everybody Gonna See You Die.

Quintessential to me!!!
 
Well... For me is only a great POWER COMPOSITION by a GREAT BAND!!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2009 at 11:56

Also other Band to pay attention is this:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 04:33
Rustichelli & Bordini are excellent!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2009 at 08:27
In this moment I'm listening to 'Serendipity' by PFM and in particular the song 'KNA (Kaleidoscope Neutronic Accelerator)'. This song is a simple POP with a catchy refrain. I think it is one of the most beautiful songs of PFM. The feeling that I forward it is really unique!ų
 
Great is also the song 'L'Immenso Campo Insensato', another great POP song.
 
'Serendipity' like me especially for the quality of the songs, even though it has a POP album. And this is important, knowing that it is not easy to stay at some level for all this time (it is from mid 60's that I Quelli/ I Krel/ PFM are at thiese standards)!
 
Frankly I like very much to that fact. And I noticed that this not be the only similar case in the IP!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2009 at 04:07
Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by Swan Song Swan Song wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by Swan Song Swan Song wrote:

^ I listened to "Darwin" and I dislikled the music and the voice in particular but it was nothing special. What I find disgusting is the ideological message. Very primitive from an intellectual perspective and very aggresively delivered. Yuck!

 

Well don't except a philosophical treatment of the subject, is only just an valid effort to show the music that to me is greatWink
As a prog-fan I always come back to an album I didn't like and give it several chances, just like it I did with Pawn Hearts for example - I found it horrible at the beginning, now I love it. I would do that too for Banco, I'd try acquire that taste - but the message will always put me off even before starting. BTW I am talking about Darwin and it's anti-religious subject. What are their other albums about?

 

ah, ok

Listen to their first album and Io Sono Nato Libero.

 

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I love italian prog too and mostly Banco, i think they have been one of the most constant IP bands (unlike PFM, Le Orme or New Trolls in the late 70's) and i agree with Alberto, you shoulkd start with their first album and Io son nato libero.

About their lyrics we should remember that they supported socialism like some other italian groups of that time (Area for example)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2009 at 05:29
Originally posted by rosenbach rosenbach wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by Swan Song Swan Song wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

[QUOTE=Swan Song]^ I listened to "Darwin" and I dislikled the music and the voice in particular but it was nothing special. What I find disgusting is the ideological message. Very primitive from an intellectual perspective and very aggresively delivered. Yuck!

 

Well don't except a philosophical treatment of the subject, is only just an valid effort to show the music that to me is greatWink
As a prog-fan I always come back to an album I didn't like and give it several chances, just like it I did with Pawn Hearts for example - I found it horrible at the beginning, now I love it. I would do that too for Banco, I'd try acquire that taste - but the message will always put me off even before starting. BTW I am talking about Darwin and it's anti-religious subject. What are their other albums about?

 

ah, ok

Listen to their first album and Io Sono Nato Libero.

 

Wink

 


I love italian prog too and mostly Banco, i think they have been one of the most constant IP bands (unlike PFM, Le Orme or New Trolls in the late 70's) and i agree with Alberto, you shoulkd start with their first album and Io son nato libero.

About their lyrics we should remember that they supported socialism like some other italian groups of that time (Area for example)[/QUOTE]
 
Well... Area supported communism, to be true.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2009 at 01:48
Anyway, let me ask a question, mandy.
It's very hard and difficult for me (Japanese) to get some of Italian progressive rock albums.
Can you get old Italian progressive albums (including now-unreleased) more easily?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2009 at 04:23
Here is a list of sites where you can find what you looking for, DamoXt7942:
 
 
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