I love Italian Prog!!!
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Topic: I love Italian Prog!!!
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Subject: I love Italian Prog!!!
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 08:16
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It is strange to write a thread on a theme that really splits PA! However, I writing about this theme and I beat the hilt (sorry for the term not exactly elegant... But I wanted to make my state of mind).
I'm Italian and Italian is my heart and my mind. So I think that also Italian Prog is my type of music! Here in PA is present a section called Italian Symphonic Prog... That is not correct because in the world this genre is called RPI, stands for Rock Progressivo Italiano (please in Italian language sir...!!!). This is a movement and not a musical genre. However for PA this is a musical genre. But I do not want to open polemics that are harmful only to conceive.
In 1982 I was 4 years but already loved 'Eye In The Sky' by Alan Parsons Project. I love in 1982 I Pooh songs pre 1975, Banco and PFM were not unknown to me in those years, New Trolls, Franco Battiato, Angelo Branduardi or I Delirium (via Ivano Fossati) also, even if with their POP songs. Also I Dik Dik and Alan Sorrenti are known by me.
Natural this fact, you say, you're Italian... Do you believe that for a child all this it means little... And when it exploded the Classic metal Revival I followed most the Italian bands like Eldritch, Heimdall, Rhapsody (Of Fire), Labyrinth, DGM, Domine, Macbeth... Which are all in Prog side of this movement!
Thanks to ProgArchives and ItalianProg I discovered so many groups of 70's and dozens of sites have been for me a source of inspiration to discover new talent in the RPI (which can not be good ... Unfortunately!).
But if you now want to argue: 'As if he pull... The RPI groups sing in Italian language and therefore is easy to say that loves them. he knows the language! ', you are off track. In fact, the lyrics of the RPI are so complicated that some swear are obscure even to those who had written! And the music... The music is not so easy. As the lyrics the music is, in certain songs, obscure as the lyrics.
What like me about Italian Prog (All Italian Prog... From RPI To Italian Prog Metal) is the heat that each song/ composition issues. Even in the album that i do not digest. You are free to criticize and hate what I wrote but you can not say that this heat is not noticeable.
Because everyone wanted to erase from ISP from PA but then the whole Italian Prog is loved and with high ratings, not only in PA!
I love Italian Prog... Italian Prog is my life (as athe women) and I defend and promote Italian Prog until death! That is why I am in this World! Whether you like it or not like it!
My Italian Prog preferred bands/ artists (in random order):
- PFM;
- New Trolls;
- I Dik Dik;
- I Delirium;
- Il Perigeo;
- Alan Sorrenti;
- Il Baricentro;
- Banco Mutuo Soccorso;
- Area;
- Osage Tribe;
- Franco Battiato;
- Fabrizio De André;
- Angelo Branduardi;
- Opus Avantra;
- Fabio Zuffanti's projects;
- Crystals;
- I GiGanti;
- Alunni Del Sole;
- Nuova Compagnia Di Canto Popolare;
- Goblin
Mandi,
Andrea. ------------- 
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Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 09:01
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Italian Prog is great:Etna has just finished playing and I'm waiting for Augusto Croce's book. ------------- I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world of searchers with the help from crimson king |
Posted By: mourningknight
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 10:00
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I'm totally in agreement with you Mandrakeroot and I'm not even Italian! I can't understand someone being a Progressive rock fan and not liking RPI. But,to each his own I guess.To me,Italy and the UK own the Progressive rock world. They produced (and produce) the most incredible bands and music and for me,define what Progressive was and is. Some of the other bands I love,not in your list,are Le Orme, Semiramis,The Trip,Reale Accademia Di Musica,Osanna , Rovescio Della Medaglia and Balletto Di Bronzo!!! RPI RULES!!!!!!
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 11:42
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...with bands like If, J'Accuse and Pennelli di Vermeer, all added to PA in the past 9 months we have prove that there's still more prog coming from bella Italia. And good prog as well. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 11:57
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Nice one Mandy!
As you know i also love Italian prog, it is a realm where you will always find something great, an old hidden gem, a new promising band, there is always something to be proud of. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 13:06
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I love Italian Prog too Mandy, see
 : http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54384&PN=3&SID=7a2z112e636caz4e2ee59ec627ade28b&SID=7a2z112e636caz4e2ee59ec627ade28b - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54384&PN=3&SID=7a2z112e636caz4e2ee59ec627ade28b&SID=7a2z112e636caz4e2ee59ec627ade28b
Ciao
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 14:42
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Locanda delle Fate
nuff said 
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Posted By: Takeshi Kovacs
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 15:51
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I'm a big fan. I love the passion of the music (the opening few minutes of Zarathustra are incredible for example....love his voice). Then you've got great 70s albums like Felona, Ys, Storia, Uomo di Pezza, Forse etc. Furthermore, you have bands picking up the gauntlet in the 90s e.g Nuova Era (fantastic album Il Passo Del Soldato), and even today, Bands like Il Bacio Della Medusa show that RPI is alive and kicking, along with live albums from Le Orme etc. I'm even picking up some of the lingo and can sing a few lines of the songs in Italian. Soon, I might even have to have a dedicated iPod for this genre, as I'll be reaching my capacity limit soon. Can't understand (and didn't realise) that there was some anti RPI sentiment amongst some forum members to be honest. Even so, if you like a certain style of music, who gives a **** what other people think eh! -------------  Open the gates of the city wide....
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 16:02
I was not yet a teenager when the whole RPI movement was moving its first steps. My first experiences as a prog listener were with the likes of Le Orme, Banco and PFM (whose songs were frequently played by the national radio stations), and my very first prog album was Delirium's Dolce acqua (for the whole story, check my review). As time went by, I felt more attracted to English-language music, and drifted away from Italian prog. Now, almost 40 years later, I'm slowly rediscovering RPI thanks to one of PA's biggest fans of this subgenre (who also happens to be my husband ), and I'm not surprised at the number of people who are falling in love with it. There are some real gems to be found in RPI, albums which can very easily be compared to anything coming out of the English-speaking countries.... And, in spite of the difficult times Italy is going through lately, the scene is still alive and well! |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 16:56
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Mandy, I agree RPI is the world you (and we) can live in. But is it necessary to make another separate thread if we already have this one (by the way, it was you who started it in 2007): http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36487 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36487 ? ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 18:57
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I love RPI too!!!! -------------  |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 19:29
Good blog, Mandy!
Bravo for Rock Progressivo Italiano! 
P.F.M. was my first of all Italian progressive rock artists...naturally? They're one of the most famous Italian progressive rock bands of all, aren't they?
Indeed I was very glad to hear their music, but ONLY ONE Italian band couldn't satisfy me in fact.
After that, my lookin' for lots of Italian bands, was exactly natural action for me. And...the most impressive RPI albums were Palepoli by Osanna and Darwin! by Banco at that time.
Italian progressive rock has a mysterious charm. Especially, for Japanese. Maybe...I suggest...it has Oriental flavour.
Long time ago, when I was a PA amateur, I've posted a thread as follows... http://www.progarchives.com/FORUM/forum_posts.asp?TID=53916 - http://www.progarchives.com/FORUM/forum_posts.asp?TID=53916
Recently, to improve and develop my Italian prog world is my duty.
Thanks, RPI...and thanks mandy, all Italian team members, and all PA members ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: silvertree
Date Posted: January 10 2009 at 04:01
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Just like DamoXt7942, my first discovery was PFM and thanks to prog fans and then Internet, I was able to dig up this wonderful world of music which is Italian Progressive Rock.
For me, Italian Progressive Rock is as important as the British movement. Oh, I forgot to say that I'm French ! (French prog rules too
)I have some obscur favourites like Il Paese dei Balocchi or Odissea.
However, I don't think the recent generations are even close to the magic of the 70s bands.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 10 2009 at 04:26
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Thanks for all the answers that you have posted.
I never imagined anything as I thought of receiving fierce criticism in some passages of my post.
Frankly I was one of the first man/ girl in PA blindly to believe in the RPI and to defend it. Today I can not give up and, therefore, I will continue to fight so that (with immense utopia) the RPI triumphs!!!
English movement & Italian movement are at the same leval. This is immensely true! -------------
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 10 2009 at 05:22
Great reviews, Erik!!! -------------
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erik neuteboom wrote:Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 10 2009 at 05:28
I understand your surprise but, although the two threads appear in the report, they are born with two different purposes.
'All Prog From italy' thread was created in order to promote all the RPI and IP. This thread was created because I wanted to explain certain things about my meter trial in reviews in the past been criticized for the very high valuations. -------------
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Posted By: erik neuteboom
Date Posted: January 10 2009 at 11:43
Thanks Lady In Black .. eh sorry Mandrakeroot  My story with Italian progrock started when I discovered the LP's The World Became The World by PFM and Banco V in the late Seventies, I was very pleased with the blend of skills, emotion and the wonderful native language. But my Italian progrock quest was really boosted in the early Nineties when many progrock labels (mainly Japanese and Italian) reissued rare Classic Italian Prog like Museo Rosenbach, Corte Dei Miracoli and Cherry Five, this also stimulated the new Italian progrock bands and nowadays we can enjoy cascades of Italian progrock reviews everyday and lots of threads about Italian progrock but I notice a "tiny slight small Italian progrock overkill", due to a kind of contagious euphoric mental state here on PA
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 11 2009 at 02:42
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Erik... To you may seem strange but it is also thanks to PA when I re-started (and re-discovered) listening to Franco Battiato, New Trolls, Angelo Branduardi... And also I Pooh (pre 1975, a great band... Not Prog but for Progsters), All bands / artists who already I knew and loved!
I, for a kind of coincidence, I discovered that I have always loved the Prog ... And today I am glad to have contributed to the spread of the Italian Prog, not only in PA! -------------
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Posted By: ProgShine
Date Posted: January 11 2009 at 22:58
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There's a lot of splendid stuff in italian prog, and had a lot of boring stuff, as in any country of the world, there's too 'more of the same' records in my opinion! But in the last week I discover Samadhi, such a great record!  ------------- https://progshinerecords.bandcamp.com 
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 03:26
What you said is true. However, I must say that the magic that's present in Italian Prog I have not found in Prog of other countries. And I not say this because I am Italian! -------------
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 04:06
That's exactly my thought.
I'm sure we cannot tell Italian progressive rock only one word or sentence.
Many many kinds of sound and style are there with Italian groups.
And, this variation should be the point of Italian progressive rock. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 07:52
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Boys, in this moment I'm listening to the first 2 albums of Perigeo. This is not Jazz Rock or Fusion (Call it whatever you want), but Italian Jazz Rock (Fusion or Mediterranean)!
And this is another aspect of Italian Prog!
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 08:48
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ME Toooooo.
I am falling in love all over again... since last years new discoveries....
 Fav so far...
Osanna
Goblin
alphataurus
L'uovo di colombo
Zauber......
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 09:09
As you can see from my avatar I am a PFM lover.  Unfortunately, the only other Italian bands I heard are Banco (hated it) and Quella Vecchia Locanda (loved the second album but only after several auditions). |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 09:12
If you liked QVL but only after several auditions... The same approach you have to use it for any Italian band. Also not Prog! -------------
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 09:20
So glad!  ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 09:35
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One thing that is affecting me in listening to the Italian Prog is the note that, in general, the album of the 70's have aged really good. This is another strong point of the IP.
Another strong point is that there are dozens and dozens of groups that have used the Prog to contaminate their POP... And as in the case of Alunni Del Sole succeeded in creating a style that is not POPand not Prog! (P.s.: I think that Alunni Del Sole are not a simple POP band... But another example of the variegated Italian Prog world).
Very often we are led to believe that the Italian Prog has copied the English Prog... But we are sure that the Jazz Rock Fusion that was produced in Italy in the 70's is not personal? I think that the answer is yes. And in that sense I think I see in the fusion between Byzantine music and Jazz Rock (typical of Italian Jazz Rock Fusion of 70's) one of the first examples of Ethno Jazz! -------------
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 13:22
Why you hate a wonderful band??? ------------- |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 14:39
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^ I listened to "Darwin" and I dislikled the music and the voice in particular but it was nothing special. What I find disgusting is the ideological message. Very primitive from an intellectual perspective and very aggresively delivered. Yuck! |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 14:41
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 14:48
it is all a matter of taste.. Just like food. Some people likes meat and some don't. I particularly Love Banco ( and maybe I am a ignorant like many Italian Prog fans that don't understand the language
 ) but I surely love the melodies that their brains create through their instruments. However I do remember very clearly not having this profound love for banco when I first heard them. I dislike the vocals and the sound quality of the albums were poor, However their sound grew on me so much that is one fav of the Italian's Prog scene and also their re-master albums had helped tremendously. a round applause for that...------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 14:48
I was thinking the samething.. Alberto..... ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 15:06
Well don't except a philosophical treatment of the subject, is only just an valid effort to show the music that to me is great ------------- |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 18:11
At the same time, I consider recently some of Modern Italian Progressive Rock groups can have the Italian Prog Spirit and their identity, not fully-influenced by English Prog. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 13 2009 at 01:42
As a prog-fan I always come back to an album I didn't like and give it several chances, just like it I did with Pawn Hearts for example - I found it horrible at the beginning, now I love it. I would do that too for Banco, I'd try acquire that taste - but the message will always put me off even before starting. BTW I am talking about Darwin and it's anti-religious subject. What are their other albums about? |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 13 2009 at 03:16
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Raff wrote this interesting post in another IP thread:
''Just to debunk a myth about Italians being always sunny and cheerful (I can assure you it's far from true, especially nowadays), RPI albums can be pretty depressing stuff, especially in a lyrical sense. One of the subgenre's masterpieces, Jumbo's Vietato ai minori di 18 anni?, has some of the saddest lyrics I've ever heard. Every time I listen to the opening track, "Specchio", it makes me want to cry.''
This is another aspect of IP! -------------
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 13 2009 at 03:18
I will darksideof!!!-------------
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 13 2009 at 03:26
Banco has often changed the theme song... in 'Darwin!' did a tribute to Charles Darwin... Logical having to go against religion... Then I moved to the policy... And in the debut album spoke of fantasy themes...They have composed a magnificent OST... Shortened the name went to play (and composing) great POP... Then Banco returned to Prog... As PFM and New Trolls... Then... I would say that all the albums of Banco deserve (each in its own way) to be in a complete Prog discography! -------------
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Posted By: williamthepimp
Date Posted: January 13 2009 at 06:57
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HI Guys, I saw - many many years ago - one of the first italian concerts of PFM (they were the support for the Colosseum tour) - New Trolls - Orme.
Italian prog is very great and bands like Osanna - New Trolls - Orme (the last "Live in Pensilvanya" is very amazing) - Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Formula 3 and all the others are very very fantastic. Also today this music is incredible if you think that many of them were playing in tellers.
Long life (live) to Italian Prog. ------------- williamthepimp |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 13 2009 at 08:23
I think you're Right.
And also feel so fresh and novel with now listening to older Italian stuffs. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: January 13 2009 at 09:32
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 13 2009 at 09:46
ah, ok
Listen to their first album and Io Sono Nato Libero.
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 13 2009 at 09:49
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Guys what do you think about this Osanna track: Everybody Gonna See You Die. Quintessential to me!!! ------------- |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 13 2009 at 10:31
I guess you speak Italian. Please give us some examples of primitivity (translated in English). What is the ideological message of the album? When I learned Italian (though only in a short period of time, and I was not a good pupil, so I "parlo italiano ma brutto" , I should say bruttissimo  ), my teacher, natural born Italian, told me Banco lyrics are excellent and often complex.------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 13 2009 at 15:44
| ^ Remember, I didn't say it's lyrically primitive, but ideologically primitive. From the first two verses of the lyrics it already claims that my Christian Faith in a nonsense made up by my limited thinking. Having lived in a country where faith (of any kind) was forbidden, I find it repulsive and feel like throwing up. I don't mind spiritual skepticism and virtuous atheism, but that's something totally different. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 13 2009 at 16:05
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Well, as a native speaker of Italian, I can tell you that Darwin's original lyrics don't mention anything like nonsense or limited thinking. They just say, "try to think in a slightly different way', which is (sorry for the pun) quite different. The only line I can see as somewhat offensive from your point of view is when it says, "e io stupido ancora a credere/a chi mi dice che la carne è polvere", which should however be read in context - that is, our flesh will not become dust, but be transformed, and in turn give life to other organisms. That said, I can understand your experience, but as someone who lived for almost 50 years in a country where the Church still holds a lot of sway and tries to dictate people's behaviour, I can understand Banco's stance. |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 13 2009 at 16:24
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Swan Song, do you mean every mention of Darwin and his theory is offensive? I lived almost half of my life in a country where religions were not welcomed (USSR). Now, though I live in the same city, the church is sometimes too active. I remember parents of one schoolgirl came to the court with a petition against studying Darwin theory in schools. They told their daughter's religious feelings suffer because of this. Isn't it crazy?
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 01:50
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@ Raff: May impressions may be that strong also because the message is so very powerfully delivered. If I only read the lines they don't compare the slightest to the way I feel them when sang by Di Giaccomo. @NotAProgHead: I don't find Darwin's theory itself or the mention of it offensive. I believe in Darwin's theory myself. What I find offensive is the mention that having a religious faith means close-minded-ness or how that's called. Seems like everyone here understands the other's position (for example I can understand both the position about the Catholic Church and NotAProghead's stand about the Russian Orthodox Church), so let's move on. |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 03:57
I confirm all !!!-------------
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 03:59
Like all IP lyrics!!! -------------
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 04:07
Well... Frankly, this type of speech are correct... But wrong. Because you see... As' Darwin! ' is a concept album about Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution... I do not understand the attacks of atheism or similar things... Also because the subject is Charles Darwin and his 'theory of Evolution'... And if you have some time the story of Darwin in the brain... Do you understand the significance of this concept album! -------------
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 04:11
Me?...Just now learnin' 'bout Italian prog... ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 04:33
Well... For me is only a great POWER COMPOSITION by a GREAT BAND!!! -------------
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 11:56
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Also other Band to pay attention is this:  ------------- |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 04:33
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Rustichelli & Bordini are excellent!!! -------------
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 16 2009 at 08:27
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In this moment I'm listening to 'Serendipity' by PFM and in particular the song 'KNA (Kaleidoscope Neutronic Accelerator)'. This song is a simple POP with a catchy refrain. I think it is one of the most beautiful songs of PFM. The feeling that I forward it is really unique!ù
Great is also the song 'L'Immenso Campo Insensato', another great POP song.
'Serendipity' like me especially for the quality of the songs, even though it has a POP album. And this is important, knowing that it is not easy to stay at some level for all this time (it is from mid 60's that I Quelli/ I Krel/ PFM are at thiese standards)!
Frankly I like very much to that fact. And I noticed that this not be the only similar case in the IP!) -------------
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Posted By: rosenbach
Date Posted: January 17 2009 at 04:07
I love italian prog too and mostly Banco, i think they have been one of the most constant IP bands (unlike PFM, Le Orme or New Trolls in the late 70's) and i agree with Alberto, you shoulkd start with their first album and Io son nato libero. About their lyrics we should remember that they supported socialism like some other italian groups of that time (Area for example) |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 18 2009 at 05:29
I love italian prog too and mostly Banco, i think they have been one of the most constant IP bands (unlike PFM, Le Orme or New Trolls in the late 70's) and i agree with Alberto, you shoulkd start with their first album and Io son nato libero. About their lyrics we should remember that they supported socialism like some other italian groups of that time (Area for example)[/QUOTE] Well... Area supported communism, to be true. -------------
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 19 2009 at 01:48
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Anyway, let me ask a question, mandy.
It's very hard and difficult for me (Japanese) to get some of Italian progressive rock albums.
Can you get old Italian progressive albums (including now-unreleased) more easily? ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 19 2009 at 04:23
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Here is a list of sites where you can find what you looking for, DamoXt7942:
http://www.btf.it - www.btf.it
http://www.mellowrecords.com - www.mellowrecords.com
http://www.cometrecords.com - www.cometrecords.com
http://www.blackwidow.it - www.blackwidow.it
http://www.redmoonrecords.com - www.redmoonrecords.com (record shop)
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Posted By: rosenbach
Date Posted: January 19 2009 at 04:44
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Hi DamoXt942, i think you can get some good stuff there easily (and cheaper) than some of us; here´s a link to hmv in Japan where you can find minilp sleeves of italian prog classics (Il Rovescio della Medaglia, Il Volo, Museo Roenbach, Cervello, Quella Vechia Locanda, Reale Accademia di Musica, etc) now reedited and almost 800 yens cheaper than the last time they appeared.
http://www.hmv.co.jp/fl/4/5/2/page/3/ |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 19 2009 at 09:20
Thanks Mandy, you're really a great Italian progressive rock specialist!
Soon I've been a btf newsletter member.
Paper sleeve CDs (in Japanese, Kami-Jake) are exactly precious for us progressive rock fans.
However, in Japan we can get only comparatively famous albums...not famous but great albums we can't get easily. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 19 2009 at 09:30
Red Moon Records is a good record shop for collectors. Of course in the catalog has everything that was in the shop. But you can order at will because he orders the CDs/ LPs/ DVDs in various place (also South Korea!), if available at catalogue.
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 19 2009 at 09:34
Wow, I'm gonna be busier...  ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 19 2009 at 10:11
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This is my last review that I post in this place for IP study:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=14896 - BATTIATO, FRANCO — D.O.C.
Review by http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=7121 - Mandrakeroot (Andrea Salvador) — First review of this album —
Inn truth it is diffucult the construction of a good 'The Best Of Battiato (Avant Garde POP)' but in this case this construction is O.k.. I am not a true Franco Battiato's fans (like Micky) but for me Franco Battiato is one of the pure genious of Italian music and in this sense this compilation is great. All 15 songs are good; some are more POP, some are pseudo Prog and some are really Prog POP song with Avant Garde treatment. But in every case Battiato's Avant Garde POP provoke in me strange vibrations. In fact this type of music for me it is true Prog! Clear for you this music is only POP... But this is the reason because Franco Battiato is a pure genious! and proper because Franco Battiato is a pure genious, Battiato's music is great! Simple for this axiom I love Franco Battiato's music. In the case of this volume of 'D.O.C.' series all the songs are evergreen of Battiato's and Italian music because all Battiato's songs are evergreen! other words are appreciated but not fundamentals. Speaking of music Battiato's songs are a great cradle of oddities: synths for... Drums or guitars or for pure wants to use... Vocals with one time signature... Melodies with another time signature... Rhythmic session with... Another time signature... But all created for the perfect creation a pure madness melodies... Melodic melodies... Sweet melodies... Sure armonic mental armonies. Because yes... franco Battiato song concept is not easy! And the lyrics... Yes, and the lyrics? Difficult to decipher them... Even studying, they are not easy. We must know the Battiato thought to be able to decipher these lyrics... If you are genious...! Since Franco Battiato is a simple, sincere and honest person (from what I understand studied), I remain very impressed by the messages that Battiato's songs contain and I see the complexity of battiato's songs the redemption of modern Italian music to the masterpieces of the Italian music of the past centuries. Logical that this is another point of force about my Battiato's musical love. If you want to start the study of Franco Battiato, genius artist, I recommended this compilation for EMI's Avant Garde POP period and for the 70's 'Gli Anni Settanta' --------------------------For the same reason i post in this place also this review:
BATTIATO, FRANCO - Gli Anni Settanta
 My review is produced using this release: BMG Ricordi S.p.A. 74321602622
Rating:7,5/10 A double CD compilation of 70's Battiato production? Well... Is good. But the listening... Is impossible!!! Because is true in the 70's Battiato passed from Experimental music to Krautrock to Fluxus music... And in Fluxus period Battiato is a simply composer. But this compilation is much complete. "Gli Anni Settanta" isn't a simply compilation. Because "Gli Anni Settanta" is the discovery of the insanity applied to the music. That, then, is music? Well... In more composition is only a strange picture of Informal Art or Fluxus. Battiato doesn't respect the logics of the market, Stockausen is the teacher... But also the "Illogical logic" succeeds to kidnap its mind. Not for case in some compositions are fundamental the not musical elements (see the old radio records in "Ethika Fon Ethika") that they give back impossible the listening of these compositions. Impossible music for impossible minds. But, if you loved the challenges thic compilation is for you!!! -------------
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O.k., this is is only a good compilation about EMI's Avant Garde POP Battiato's songs. But veru good. Because part of a series of CD named 'D.O.C. (Dischi di Origine Controllata)' (In English: 'D.C.O. (Disc with Controlled Origin)') this isn't a true 'The Best Of...' but the quality is the same quality!
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 19 2009 at 14:12
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Hi,
You know what's funny?
Italian "prog" ... is less inspired by "prog" music ... than it is by Classical Music ... which is a far better expose and field for experimentation and use of electric instruments than most other folks would give it credit for ...
- PFM;
- New Trolls;
- Banco Mutuo Soccorso;
- Area;
- Franco Battiato;
- Goblin
I can add
- Reale Academie the Musica (spelling)
- Uno (had a Hipgnosis cover too!)
- Aqua Fragile
and many others .... the spelling of which might be embarassing ....
Other than Franco Battiato who was really showing his more experimental side on his albums, I would say that there is very little "prog" ... here ... in fact, I like to state unequivocally that many of our so-called "prog" folks had a lot of classical music training ... and their main desire, in my opinion, is to make their mark and be felt as a presence and an "age" for music historians to add to their books ... and I think that is a valid attempt, and there are some lovely names and works that belong ... and some over rated (and over played) examples that don't!
The most special of all these for me, is BANCO ... it was a real shame that they were on Manticore ... who may have had a hand in helping them in America ... but the group had to spend the money instead on making sure their age'ing heroes could show a flash on the stage ... !!! To me ... more than anything else ... this only shows that it was not about the "music" ... it was about the something else ... and there are times when you have to explode on the stage to get someone's attention ... I understand that ... but when you have it ... all I can ask is ... what are you trying to prove? That you can flip pianos and organs better than anyone?
BANCO, by very far, was much more musically strong and had a most amazing series of albums ... the main issue that it had against it, was trying to sell it to an English speaking market ... fer crying out loud ... are you saying that a band that sings in Venusian Fosphate dialec isn't good, and can't be prog? Bollocks!
And the meaning of the word and term needs to be re-evaluated!
PFM is also very nice, and worth it in my book for the most part. I was really sad when they took on Aqua Fragile's singer who was very strong there, and dumped their great melodies and anti-melodies for something else ... and killed another good band in the process. Somehow after that PFM just did not have the far out stuff they did in "Storia" or even "World Became the World" (both Italian and English versions are excellent although some of the translations are really bad ... I mean AWFUL.
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Posted By: rosenbach
Date Posted: January 19 2009 at 15:56
That's what i meant by classics (or famous albums as you say), unfortunately there are lots of great albums that have never been released on cd. Of course I'm not an italian prog specialist, but i enjoy what i've heard. |
Posted By: inrainbows
Date Posted: January 19 2009 at 16:45
I'm not Italian, but I'm in the same mood with you about Italian music and of course I totally agree with your issues. 
I would say "Fetus", "Pollution" and "Sulle corde di Aries", as a start , and Battiatos' highest moments.(IMO) ------------- 
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 19 2009 at 17:34
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Andrea, being a little familiar with Battiato's works, I understand what you are talking about, I see your passion and emotions. But it seems to me it's not so easy for newcomers to get from your reviews the idea what the music of Franco Battiato is. Please keep this in mind in future. I believe you, being native Italian speaker, can tell us more and explain some things most of us can't understand because of language barrier. Good luck! P.S. Battiato is one of the greatest Italian artists, but I must confess Fabrizio De Andre' means much more to me, though it's a matter of taste and another story
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 20 2009 at 05:22
As you have written deserves a careful study. But I will say only that it is better that you leave the audience of Prog because you did not understand what it is!
Even so, I say to you without the bitterness... It is clear... As you have written... It is not only true for the Italian Prog... But for all the forms of prog music. Do you believe that Symphony X have not plundered the classical music? They, without that looting would not be even a Power Metal band... And I am sincere. As you wrote... As you will be studied to understand even simple Folk Rock! -------------
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 20 2009 at 05:27
All true. But it is better to start with a compilation like 'Gli Anno 70' to understand Franco Battiato in the 70's, in my opinion. A direct approach with his 70's albums can be traumatic for many minds. By Franco Battiato is better to go step by step. Then everyone is free to take a personal approach with Franco battiato. But for me what I have described is the best approach. -------------
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 20 2009 at 10:19
I'm curious about you say Andrea, please tell me ¿In albums how do you do to rate at first for a neophyte to introduce to the superb world of Franco Battiato? ------------- |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 20 2009 at 10:28
| Personally, I would recommend his live album Giubbe Rosse (1989), which includes both his 'pop-prog' hits and a few of his Seventies classics, like "Sequenze e Frequenze" . Micky reviewed it, as did Andrea P., capturing the essence of the album. |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 20 2009 at 10:30
Yes, this is another good album for a easy Battiato's approach. I think that this album be one of the best Italian all time best live albums!!! -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 20 2009 at 16:56
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aaahh... why do we have two threads on pretty much the same topic.. in the same area. admins... can we close this. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: January 20 2009 at 17:17
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That's it, you've convinced me! I'm now going to give in to temptation and buy some PFM. Good decision do you all think? Stupid question really It better be good  ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 20 2009 at 17:19
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Micky, I already asked this question to Andrea. His answer was: "All Prog From italy' thread was created in order to promote all the RPI and IP. This thread was created because I wanted to explain certain things about my meter trial in reviews in the past been criticized for the very high valuations". As I understand, Adnrea wants a more personal thread. Why not? I think it's not necessary to close this thread, but Andrea should think how to make it different (I see now he posts the same reviews in both threads).
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 20 2009 at 17:34
if it's different... I'm all for it. I don't think we need two Italian threads in the 'genre appreciation' area. The existing one has long been the place where people have come to discuss and promote. To split is to dilute it for the part time visitors. Like me... I just saw the damn thing. I'm not around much as I used to be. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 20 2009 at 17:43
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Andrea, what you think about mine and Micky's posts? ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 20 2009 at 17:48
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For me it's the same if we have one or multiple threads about Italian Prog, as long we still talk about this wonderful music!!! ------------- |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 20 2009 at 17:53
interesting post....
that Bush still had 22% of wackos here thinking he was doing a good job... oh... that... not funny... but something the site correctly identified. What came out of Italy is quite unique. In a nutshell.. instead of classicalizing (© Micky 2009) rock music as many commonly see 'prog' like the english did. The italians went at it ass backward.. since before the dawn of the 'prog' era... that country had NO rock tradition at all... that is why what we call prog here on this site.. was called pop music there. They dumbed down classical forms to the rock format instead of having a bunch of upper class English kids taking Classical to the unwashed masses. It was just an extension of what they had always been listening to... an extention of that countries 'pop' music. Just amped up and synth'd out. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 21 2009 at 09:45
This thread was born as article / blog and I did not understand because it was moved to this section...
Personally, this thread should be used to discuss the technique and historical context of the RPI/ IP and the other should be used for the promotion of RP / IP.
But I'm noticing a tendency to censor what I do outside of the reviews... I added here those review because I wanted a start a study to Franco Battiato thought.
Clearly if the admin wanted to close this thread, I would not have problems with this decision. I regret only that this thread was not born for this section of the forum and that it has been moved in this forum section. -------------
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 21 2009 at 09:48
Well... You're right... I do too often take certain things for granted... I will provide a remedy in the future! -------------
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: January 21 2009 at 09:50
Andrea i support your idea about realizing studies about historical concepts and context about RPI and also the Battiato study.
Also i would like to add if we can discuss the techniques of playing, the lyrics and the departures of certain key members of RPI.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 21 2009 at 11:17
In fact my project is the creation of some articles... One day!!! -------------
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