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mrcozdude
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Posted: December 13 2008 at 05:03 | |||||
Lyrical content has to be taken the same way as film dialogue or a picture,if in a film scene theres a character who's racist,does it make the director racist?Does the painting of Mrya Hindley means the painter wants to kill children? Don't ruin the artists right of freedom and expression just because you have trouble comprehending the subjects.I'm sure with most bands people subconciously consider to promote vilolent lyrics are perhaps also playing a character of some sort.
So in reply to the question absolutley not.I usually ignore bands who have the tendency to only sing about violence as its a dull subject matter,but then with gore grind i find the lyrics hilarious again it doesn't mean i'm going to go out and f*ck a dead person.
*feels he's veered of topic and scared everyone on the way
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WinterLight
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 09 2008 Status: Offline Points: 424 |
Posted: December 13 2008 at 10:38 | |||||
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June
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Posted: December 13 2008 at 14:55 | |||||
Okay, thanks. I'm not into the Beach Boys, so I never read up on them, but I think I will now that you mention this. Make sense that the guy had friends in the music business since he was some sort of a recording artist too.
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BaldJean
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 06:41 | |||||
you are confusing something here. Socrates had to drink the hemlock cup because the Athenians accused him of corrupting the youth |
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 07:03 | |||||
Send all the euth to asia... |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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sean
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Posted: December 16 2008 at 00:51 | |||||
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J-Man
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Posted: December 17 2008 at 16:24 | |||||
Well, it really depends. When they curse, or it's satanic I typically don't mind it much at all. However, when it's discriminatory, ecouraging drugs (not like The Beatles), or explicit sex stuff, I don't listen to the music. I don't have a problem with The Water by SB (Cursing), or ITPOE by Dream Theater (Satanic), because there is somewhat of a point to it. Yet when people just blantantly sing racist comments, it's bothers me.
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: December 17 2008 at 18:26 | |||||
ITPOE is satanic? It's just a story... and the guy dies at the end renouncing what he did, as I remember.
It's a guy saying, "dark master", not the band saying, "worship satan, your dark master" Edited by King By-Tor - December 17 2008 at 18:27 |
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Vompatti
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Posted: December 17 2008 at 18:53 | |||||
I prefer explicit sex stuff to explicit satanic stuff. Edited by Vompatti - December 17 2008 at 19:07 |
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The Doctor
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Posted: December 17 2008 at 19:21 | |||||
I agree. Give me explicit sex, explicit language...even explicit drug references to explicit satanic stuff (and I'm agnostic, but that stuff just weirds me out).
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Raff
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Posted: December 17 2008 at 19:29 | |||||
Same here. Especially when satanic stuff goes together with racist content, as in the case of those Norwegian bands of the Nineties. I've read interviews with some of their members, and I think they should've been locked up even before they committed actual crimes. |
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WinterLight
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Posted: December 17 2008 at 20:56 | |||||
So, we should "lock up" people because of what they say? |
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The T
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Posted: December 18 2008 at 00:34 | |||||
This time I disagree enormously with you Raff. Completely. First, on the unimportant side of the issue, I can take any of the explicit language, including satanic, which is obvious some of you haven't really get in touch with (DT????).
About the second part, some bands have a racist view (Burzum, Darkthrone, even if never too explicit). They may believe what they want. But your idea of locking people up for what they think and "before they commit crimes" is actually terrible. One step closer to throught-control, and dictatorship also ("preventive prison" is the mother of just putting in jail anyone who is different). In that matter, i SO prefer the US to Europe where, as long as you don't harm anyone, you can express whatever weird idea you have. In Europe there's a bad history, we know that. I still believe in 100% TOTAL freedom of expression.
Or I will love if I could put in jail many of the christian zealots who in the name of god do more terrible things than a bunch of crazy norwegians (witrh the exception of a few actually dangerous ones) have ever done.
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mithrandir
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Posted: December 18 2008 at 00:51 | |||||
I pretty much only listen to bands who sing about sodomizing goats and killing Xtians, so what do I know?
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Vompatti
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Posted: December 18 2008 at 04:26 | |||||
Sure. It's easier than locking them up because of what they think. |
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BaldJean
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Posted: December 18 2008 at 04:45 | |||||
that's ok; I draw the line at killing goats and sodomizing Xtians |
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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Raff
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Posted: December 18 2008 at 08:43 | |||||
Teo, I'm afraid I didn't express my opinion articulately enough, so that you and others ended up misunderstanding it. If you think I am in favour of any kind of repression of people's opinions, you just picked the wrong person... In Italy we have a PM who insults everyone who thinks in a different way than he does, and I loathe him more than I have ever loathed anyone. However, I have also observed that (unfortunately, I have to say) it is not always true that expressing an idea doesn't harm anyone. In most cases it doesn't, but there are occasions when such ideas influence other people, leading to very unpleasant occurrences. And I'm not just referring to extreme phenomena like Nazism or violent satanism, but to much simpler, apparently less harmful attitudes like laying the blame for anything on immigrants (I'm referring to Italy again, not to the US, in case you were wondering). Ah, and I am an agnostic, so my remarks were not motivated by a defence of Christians against Satan worshippers.. It was the racist aspect of those interviews that horrified me, not any references to Satan (which were negligible and more decorative than anything). Edit: In my previous post I wasn't as much referring to lyrical content as to the ideology behind SOME (not all) of those lyrics. As a rule, explicit lyrics don't bother me at all, even when they are overtly sexist. However, those interviews I referred to really freaked me out. If you are interested in knowing more, they are contained in a book called Lucifer Rising (don't remember the author, but if you google the title you should find it), which is about the connection between Satanism, rock and popular culture in general. Nothing of what I read in there disturbed me, with the exception of those interviews. Edited by Raff - December 18 2008 at 08:50 |
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WinterLight
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Posted: December 18 2008 at 09:31 | |||||
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The T
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Posted: December 18 2008 at 14:21 | |||||
Yes Raff your post was minsunderstandable.. I suympathize with your views on your PM, not so much because I know him a lot (other than his ownership of AC Milan ) but because my President (in my country) is an idiot who put a guy in prison only because he was given the middle finger... go figure (Chavez' friend he is, of course).
I also agree with WL here than saying "ideas influence other people" is rather vague and almost impossible to prove. Why? Because it doesn't depend on the idea but on the idiot who lets himself be influenced by it. Really, by now I should be extremely dangerous for society after two months of exclusive research into the dark norwegian woods of black metal, and here I am, as harmless as always, and more illogically, happier than ever finding a girl after like years of solitude! (believe me, it's quite incredible when the music that you listened after your first dates is Gorgoroth ). If there are idiots who can beinfluenced by words, then those are rthe ones who shopuld be looked upon, not the ones expressing them. Remember the school shootings? Instead of talking about how bad Marylin Manson was (and he's just a poser compared with these norwegian guys ) why did nobody paid attention to the signs of warning sent by the killers-to-be? Each person does what each person wants. No words ever influenced nobody who wasn't looking to be influenced.
Unless it's a child or a very young teenager... Then I wouldn't put a muzzle on a musician's mouth but a court citation on thier parent's hands for stupidity.
By the way, I'll get that book. I found it on Amazon. it should made for some intyeresting reading...
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Raff
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Posted: December 18 2008 at 14:52 | |||||
I see your point, Teo, and in an ideal world I would agree with you 100%. Unfortunately, idiots will always be with us, ready to be influenced by whomever speaks in the most persuasive way - even if I have to concur that, in terms of actual danger, people like the Norwegian black metallers rank way below other kinds of humanity who may espouse less extreme views, which just because of that may appeal to larger numbers. The example of the supposed danger posed by immigrants is a real one - this is how the current Italian government got elected into office, by getting the people to believe they were surrounded by all kinds of criminals coming from other countries.
Anyway, I digress.... On a totally personal level, I think that what repelled me most about those Norwegian guys was their hatred of everything and everyone. People like that give me the creeps, and I don't believe they are particularly beneficial in a world that certainly doesn't need more hate-mongering. And this, mind you, goes beyond any purely musical considerations... |
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