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DavetheSlave 
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 06:15 |
I, for one, don't listen to certain bands where the lyrics are rabidly anti Christian or extremely anti Social. I'm fairly open minded in that I find nothing wrong with the lyrics of Bands like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and the like but I will not listen to certain Bands no matter how good the music is - Manowar for example.
I won't listen to music that tells me that killing my neigbour is ok.
I'm not one of those who espouses that Suicide Solution drove anyone to suicide but I suppose with an impressionable person anything is possible.
If Rush can sing about a Red Sports car then I don't see why anyone has to sing about a love affair with Satan or a Demon positively.
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 07:01 |
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no they dont, i listen to the songs for my enjoyment, i dnt think i will be worried if thre are somethings in the lyrics that hurts somebody's sentiments can deter me from listening to it
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 07:03 |
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I fully agree with slaver here. Good lyrics (i.e. the kind that don't ruin the music but add something to it) are always intelligent and insightful at least on some level, and I can't really imagine anti-religious or senselessly violent lyrics being anything but stupid and embarrassing. To me such lyrics imply that the band and especially the lyric-writer don't really have anything constructive to say and that they seemingly have no idea what music and art in general should be about.
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 07:17 |
Hi Vompatti- what worries me more than if they have nothing to say is that maybe they are wanting to spread certain idiologies and thought patterns. Musical terrorism anyone???
No seriously - I don't mind fantasy, I don't mind dark dreams, I don't mind wet dreams, but I do mind prayers to Satan and bash the next Christian you see. I do mind let's kill the Black or the Yellow guy or lets commit mass suicide.
Many years ago I got stuck in the occult and that was the influence of a Band that I loved and still love today although now I'm a little more mature and can handle that bands lyrics.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 07:19 |
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Dunno, yet. I barely care of lyrical content, don't in few ocassions I enjoy reading them: Genesis, Floyd, etc. I do like Black Sabbath, Black Widow and Atomic Rooster, and the lyrical conent for me seems interesting to read about.
I said earlier that I didn't know, because I still haven't heard any band with a lyrical content that affects me. Also, as I said earlier, I barely care of lyrics, so if the music is good, bring them on.
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 07:29 |
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Hi Cacho - with the bands that you mentioned you would hardly have come across anything to worry about although I can't say that I'm familiar with Black Widow - weren't they inspired by Black sabbath?
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 07:31 |
 slaver wrote:
Hi Vompatti- what worries me more than if they have nothing to say is that maybe they are wanting to spread certain idiologies and thought patterns. Musical terrorism anyone??? |
I get your point, but I believe that people who are drawn to these kind of bands already share their ideology. The lyrics may or may not strengthen their views, but I don't think music alone can turn anyone into a satanist, an extreme racist or anything like that.
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 07:43 |
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Hi Vompatti - I wasn't drawn into the occult other than for an interest in the lyrics of a favorite Band - that led to the next step!!
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 07:50 |
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I agree with Slaver and Vompatti too...
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 07:56 |
Hi someone_else.
As well, try to say something against Islam in any form and they could well want to do you in!!! That's taboo, so why are so many so lenient??
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 08:04 |
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I can't tell, but I think it has something to do with freedom of speech and freedom of religion being part of our culture...
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 08:17 |
slaver wrote:
I, for one, don't listen to certain bands where the lyrics are rabidly anti Christian or extremely anti Social. I'm fairly open minded in that I find nothing wrong with the lyrics of Bands like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and the like but I will not listen to certain Bands no matter how good the music is - Manowar for example. I won't listen to music that tells me that killing my neigbour is ok. |
... but you listen to Korn. Didn't they have a song about killing Davis's (step)mother on their first or second album? Sure, they may have mellowed out somewhat later (I don't know, I haven't listened to them in ages), but I'm curious... I see your point, btw, but if I started to ignore musicians because I didn't agree with some of their views, I'd very quickly run out of music to listen to.
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 08:21 |
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Hello Visitor13. That track was part of a concept by Korn and they devoted a lot of their music to the extreme mistreatment of children and their very anti stance in that regard - that is possibly why I enjoy Korn as I do.
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rushfan4
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 08:23 |
I kind of really like the song about the red car mentioned above. 
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OT Räihälä
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 08:25 |
slaver wrote:
I, for one, don't listen to certain bands where the lyrics are rabidly anti Christian
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I have to admit, that I don't listen to certain bands where the lyrics are rabidly Christian.
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 08:29 |
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Hello Visitor13. That track was part of a concept by Korn and they devoted a lot of their music to the extreme mistreatment of children and their very anti stance in that regard - that is possibly why I enjoy Korn as I do. |
That would explain it, but I still think it wasn't a smart thing to focus on the hateful emotions of the abused (that's what it was, right?). Child abuse is a dreadful thing, but opposition against it must be both extreme and careful - this opposition just might turn into blind hatred!
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 08:30 |
Vompatti wrote:
I fully agree with slaver here. Good lyrics (i.e. the kind that don't ruin the music but add something to it) are always intelligent and insightful at least on some level, and I can't really imagine anti-religious or senselessly violent lyrics being anything but stupid and embarrassing. To me such lyrics imply that the band and especially the lyric-writer don't really have anything constructive to say and that they seemingly have no idea what music and art in general should be about. |
Actually I always try to listen to lyrics, as long as they are in a language I grasp. and I like lyrics in songs that are not too wordy (have too much vocals,) because I value instrumental interplay as much as excellent lyrics.
But with today's groups and their all-too numerous concept albums, I find that I can't be worried of what their text are about. Usually over-complicated and lacking the spirit of Pye Hastings and Ian Anderson. Or have the profound nature of Gabriel (Genesis) Waters (Floyd) or Hammill (VdGG)
This being said, I was never a big fan of jon Anderson's gibberish.
You oughta hear Tull's Aqualung and TAAB, anti-religiouis and anti-sopcietal, yet among the most brilliant texts ever put to music
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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DavetheSlave
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 08:31 |
Hi rushfan4 - I knew you would - brill track!!!
Hi O T - I'm not in favor of rabidly Christian music either. To my mind their is world of things to sing about other than religion, politics, racism, violence. All other than in the proper context. If you're doing an anti war track you can't very well leave violence out of it!!
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 08:42 |
Hi Visitor13. Korn's attitude was almost hatred in that regard! There I don't blame them. There's a movie called "the Girl next door" - the Ketchum one - that's worthwhile watching but very very harrowing!
Korn are a lot more complex than many here give them credit for but I refuse to go down that road again.
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Posted: December 10 2008 at 08:51 |
slaver wrote:
To my mind their is world of things to sing about other than religion, politics, racism, violence. |
Ha-ha! That's four extremely relevant and essential things to sing about, if you ask me. All these love songs (not so much in prog) are what's worrying me.
Really, I don't worry about lyrical content. I obviously wouldn't listen to a racist group, but to my knowledge that kind of crap doesn't exist in fairly advanced, intelligent music. Both satanist and christian lyrics are fine with me (occult and pagan lyrics are more than fine), although they both believe in stuff I don't.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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