Will pop music become prog?

Just to make the point.

A few months ago I saw in Biography channel, a guy who called himself the artist maker.

This guy in his late 50's had bought a ranch in Texas and started a business. he posted in the newspapers adds inviting kids of certain physical characteristics and ages to join a band.

He didn't cared if they knew how to sing, even he bragged that he knew nothing about music, but he knew about business. So this guy teamed groups of 4 or 5 kids, dressed them with the most popular clothes, cut their hairs in a determined style and created a personality for them.

Hired guys who wrote harmless but catchy music and voila, he had 10 boys bands, probably 7 or 8 will be totally unknown, but if one of them reached popularity, he had his expenses covered and if two sold albums, he made a lot of money.

BTW: The guy was extremely wealthy.

Isn't that manipulation?

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 08 2008 at 23:56

darkshade wrote:   as for the original poster's query, it is interesting how pop/rock bands have been taking influence from prog rock like The Foo Fighters, System of a Down (and solo related), The White Stripes (and Jack White) just to name a few, cant actually think of others at the moment.

I think he was really wondering whether he would get saturated with jazz/classical/prog and start enjoying pop. Theoretically, why not? But to again give an example, my grandpa has been listening to Indian Classical music since he was a teen and he still sticks to it - he's 80 come January!  He doesn't feel the need for a lighter form of music even for the sake of variety. He laments that there's no one in the household to appreciate his massive collection when he'll be gone.   So, I don't think pop can replace prog as a staple for a prog fan. I like good pop once in a while but mostly it's prog or metal.

Dream Theater? So poppy...

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I don't think so, but pop music have a lots of meanings, The Beatles is pop, isn't? Madonna is pop isn't? Pink Floyd is pop isn't? But no, we could keep ourselves calm down, prog music is, in most of the cases, hated in so many levels, that i'm not worried about that

pianomandust wrote: I was thinking to myself today that I really enjoy a lot of styles of music.  Jazz, classical, various forms of prog, etc.  I find something to enjoy in just about every sub-genre of prog (recognized by P.A.).  That is also what worries me - I hope that in my seemingly never-ending search for new styles and forms of music, pop music (what I don't really listen to at all) will become prog to me at some point.  It's inevitable, right?  It will sound the freshest to my ears because everything else I listen to doesn't sound like pop music.  Scary thought, and semi-sarcastic, but crap....that would be awful.

Are you telling me that 'Owner of a lonely heart' isn't pop music?

Lost Follower wrote: Surely 'Prog' as we know it actually came out of 'Pop' music in the first place?

I'm an elitist, and refuse to believe such garbage

jplanet wrote: How quickly some forget, or are too young to remember - Back in the 70's when ELP was the top-grossing concert act in the world, and Yes was selling out several consecutive nights at Madison Square Garden, and Dark Side of the Moon was earning the sales that made it the best-selling album of all time, prog rock was certainly one of the most successful genres of pop music. Now that the internet will ring the death knell of all major record labels and radio stations, my guess is that prog, along with dozens of other genres that are overlooked by the corporate music business, will end up on an equal playing field together. Sadly, it will probably never be as big as it was in the 70's when prog was king. But, i digress. The original post wasn't about whether prog would become popular, but rather if pop music would sound so unfamiliar that it would seem like something truly innovative. Once prog starts sounding too familiar to you, you will probably do what Peter Gabriel did, and start listening to world music...

Some guy at a bar that I bartended at got into an argument with me about Pink Floyd selling out just because their songs became popular (pop being short for popular, lets not forget).  Since "Money" and "Time" got radio airplay and was considered popular, he claimed that they just wrote it that way because they knew everyone would buy it.

Obviously, I argued him out the door.

I agree that Pop (as it is now) could NEVER morph into Prog, or somehow mutate into being remotely thought of as prog.  I think the main reason is because the bast@rd producers or whatever, that MOLD poor poor young minds into pop stars, will never understand real music.  They only understand the feeble teen mind and what can be marketed to it.  Therefor music not being any part of their concern.

To me, Progressive by definition means that the music ITSELF is progressing further.  Evolving.  Not just by skill, but by spirit and enlightenment (if you will).  People with no soul are of no risk to the Prog rock universe, because you cannot progress without a soul.  Only rot and infect others.  Unfortunately, their infection has reached plauge levels.  Which is why pretty much all popular music today has destroyed so many ignorant youths.

Makes me sad.  I wonder if ever we'll get out of this dull nothingness of Miley Ciruss's, Beyonce's, Timberlake's, and 50 cent's.  Every time I hear them I just cant see any message at all in their music.  Do they just want me to F?ck more people?  What?

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Will pop go prog...?

No, I think, pop will eat itself..

Pop already did go Prog. Beatles, Moody Blues, Jefferson Airplane . . . ringin' any bells?