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Points: 3834 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 12:59
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

And because I can, I will bump.

obZen has gotten better over time.
They dialed in some seriously awesome guitar tones on the Line 6 Vetta II amps for that album.

Bleed, is just magnificent.
The right hand technique needed to execute that riff would kill most mortals.


As goes with the drum footwork. It's tricky for all instruments, and I would probably get away with saying it's one of the most rythmically challenging pieces ever written.
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Points: 1698 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 21:24
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

And because I can, I will bump.

obZen has gotten better over time.
They dialed in some seriously awesome guitar tones on the Line 6 Vetta II amps for that album.

Bleed, is just magnificent.
The right hand technique needed to execute that riff would kill most mortals.
 
And yet my metalhead prog-hating friend says that song's really simple. He baffles me.
 
I've recently listened to "Chaosphere", and man is that album crazy. I mean, "ObZen" I found what I expected, but "Chaosphere" was way more energetic than I thought it would be. I should listen to it more. "Elastic" was a bit hard to handle during that noise part, but I'm sure the rest of the song will grow on me.

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Points: 25210 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 21:30
Anyone that says the riffing on Bleed must know nothing about guitar.
It has some of the most insanely difficult "gallop" technique in it ever.
I myself play some fairly technical stuff on guitar, like Buckethead, but geezus, even if I owned an 8 string guitar, I certainly wouldn't attempt to play the Bleed riffs at full speed straight away. That's just asking for a injury to my right hand/wrist.

A guy on Sevenstring.org (on the forum boards) did a cover version of Bleed.
He said it took some serious work to get it down, because at first the amount of lactic acid building up in his right arm was pretty brutal.
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Points: 3834 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2008 at 13:11
You're right about Chaosphere. Because of that album alone, I find the guitarists in Meshuggah the most underrated in modern metal. Every song on that is insanely difficult to play on guitar simply because it's so damn fast. I have attempted New Millenium Cyanide Christ on a synthesiser though it wasn't easy.
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Yeah well he CAN play the beginning gallops, but I found out for myself that really he can't play it at the correct tempo. He's definetely slower, so I guess not.

And the thing about "Bleed" is around the 2nd verse the band puts the gallops on tons of rhythmic variations, and he says, "Oh they just play it different, like this" (plays 8th notes with random gallops thrown in).

If you guys know what time signature(s) the 2nd verse part is in, please tell me. I'd love to try and listen and see if I can pick it apart.

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Figuring out Meshuggah time sigs is worse then Calc 2.
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Points: 1698 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2008 at 22:32
Originally posted by ProgBagel ProgBagel wrote:

Figuring out Meshuggah time sigs is worse then Calc 2.
 
Well the thing is, sometimes you'll be able to grasp a pattern that they play. Many a Meshuggah song I listen to repeats the same measure of 7/8 several times, and then suddenly, they play almost the same riff, but they hold a note a little longer, or put in a couple extra gallop, or cut a few notes out, and then they just go nuts turning the rhythm inside out. It's incredible.

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It has always baffled me how people can say there is no melody in Meshuggah. What exactly do these people understand through melody? It is impossible for an artist to sing without the notes eventually turning into some sort of melody (even if it's atonal music some could still hear melody).  It just takes a different kind of approach to get it. I guess tolerance goes a long way. As for the music sounding the same, try some Philip Glass - now that's music that really stays the same!

As for Meshuggah, I don't remember exactly how I got into them, but I know once I did I was hooked. Nowaydays there are bands that are faster, heavier, or groovier, but none with the exact balance that Meshuggah brought (and are still bringing, if you take a lsiten to obZen). I think they have been and continue to be one of the most interesting and challenging acts out there and I sure hope they keep on doing what they do (and I sometimes miss projects from these guys; not only Sol Niger but also the work with Matts/Morgan was great).
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Points: 6336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 07:41
My favorite metal band after Opeth and Tool. I used not to gt how people could like them jejeje, funny how that changed.
 
My favorite Mehuggah songs are...
 
  1. I (the best metal song in the known univers)
  2. Bleed
  3. In death is death (if it can be considered as a song)
  4. Spasm
  5. Dancer to a discordant system
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Points: 6336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 07:45
Originally posted by The Pessimist The Pessimist wrote:

You're right about Chaosphere. Because of that album alone, I find the guitarists in Meshuggah the most underrated in modern metal. Every song on that is insanely difficult to play on guitar simply because it's so damn fast. I have attempted New Millenium Cyanide Christ on a synthesiser though it wasn't easy.
So true. Thordendal is my favorite metal guitarist ever. I love his crazy jazzy soloing soooooooo much
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