Meshuggah Appreciation Thread
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Topic: Meshuggah Appreciation Thread
Posted By: The Pessimist
Subject: Meshuggah Appreciation Thread
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 16:06
I think it's about time someone createde one. This is a thread to celebrate the great technical metal band MESHUGGAH. They are fantastic, even though the vast majority of the classic prog fans can't digest them, which is a shame. Thomas Haake is one of the best drummers of all time, no one can deny that, their lyrical content is fantastic and they are anti-cheesy music that is technical beyond belief. I honestly admire this lot for being able to play their material  What are your positive thoughts on this incredible band? ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 16:46
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Definitely my favorite metal band, provoding some of the most original metal albums I've ever heard. I admire and deeply respect all of their work, and enjoy pretty much all of what they've released so far. Thordendal's solo project is incredible as well!
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 16:47
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The vocals are cheesy (though they have to be, heavily rhythmic shouting is the only way to go here), never read the lyrics but most of the song titles promise more cheese, although there's some good and amusing ones, like "The Mouth Licking What You've Bled". They're unbelievably funky, that's their greatest strength. Gonna shake my butt to some Meshuggah now. |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 17:44
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I can see the potential of an excellent band, but still I have not 'got into' their music... However, I need way more spins... |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 20:21
I wasn't sure you were talking about the same band until you said "The Mouth Licking What You've Bled". But yes, you cannot deny the funkiness of "Future Breed Machine"
 I particularly like "I". It's the first material I've heard from Meshuggah, and every time I listen to it it's like going on a metal journey through the psyche. ------------- 
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Visitor13 wrote:Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 23:32
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This band is beyond incredible. I enjoy all of their albums from DEI on...only because I haven't really listened to the stuff before that. My favorites are I, Chaosphere and Catch 33 in no order because each have their merits.
I hope people understand the talent behind this band. One of the most unique bands of our time. |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 23:53
Meshuggah is easily one of the most innovative metal bands out there today, especially considering how stagnant the metal scene is today. Tomas Haake is one of the most fantastic drummers of modern music, having created a new style of drumming. My favorite Meshuggah albums are DEI, Chaosphere, Obzen and I in no particular order. Thanks for creating this thread finally! ------------- 
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Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 01:31
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I have only ever heard their 22 minute single titled I. And I was pretty bored to be honest. Maybve not the best place to start. Suggestions?
on a side note, i'm all for technicallity (its one of the reasons i like Protest the hero), but i also like when the technicallity doesn't destroy the musicallity of the band (another reason i like Protest the hero). so perhaps if this band sacrifies musicallity and listenability for technicallity it may not be my bag. I'm still willing to give them a shot though.
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Posted By: Silver Sable
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 09:46
| All of their albums I've tried ended up in skipping through tracks after about 90 seconds because it was irritating me. I've tried time and again and they are either too repetitive or too schizophrenic for my taste. Just feels like music with no soul. |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 11:09
Catchy 33 has a kind of musical appeal. It seems to really put a hypnotic affect on this listener with the main riff throughout the album and all the other stuff serving as healthy distractions. One of a kind album really, even considering their output. |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 11:51
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DJPuffyLemon, I'd try out DEI, probably their most diverse effort and gradually ween yourself in with Soul Burn, Beneath and Inside What's Within Behind, as i see them as the most accessible songs. You'll soon buy Chaosphere after that, guaranteed. Silver Sable: This is an appreciation thread. The clues in the title. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: avalanchemaster
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 14:15
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is all! ------------- http://www.amazon.com/gp/shops/storefront/index.html?ie=UTF8&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sellerID=AP |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 17:05
Eh, Meshuggah's technicality makes their musicality, not destroy it. How else would they be so funky without being so technical? The much larger issue is that once you've heard ~10 minutes of one of their albums, you've basically heard the whole album. Kibble_Alex is right, they manage to avoid that pretty well on Destroy, Erase, Improve, not least since the drummer is given more room there. I hope they return to a similiar approach one day. |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 20:36
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I first tried them out a few years ago with Chaosphere and found it to be mostly a blur. Then last year I decided to try again, with catch thirtythr33. That one hooked me. I've since picked up Nothing, obZen and I. A fine band, although clearly not for everyone.
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Posted By: moe_blunts
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 21:13
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Besides putting out several superb studio releases, this band is ri-donkulously good live. They put on one of the most intense shows I've ever seen. Favorite Releases: I, Nothing, Catch 33...in that order ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/moe_blunts/?chartstyle=minimalDarkRecent"> 
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 21:38
I am perplexed, as that is the first material of Meshuggah I ever heard, and to this day it's one of my favorites ever.
I find it somewhat annoying when people say they are repetitive. They sort of tend to variate the rhythms sort of how composers like to put variations on a theme. Sure, at the beggining of a phrase, you'll pick out a couple measures of 7/8, then maybe an 11/8 here, and then they'll finish up with a couple 4/4s, and they repeat that phrase a couple times. But by the end of the song, they've just completely changed the rhythms, elongated certain notes in the phrase, shortened a couple of bars, stretched out key notes, and while the two different phrases sound the same, they may be completely different in terms of rhythm. Name another band that does that! -------------
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: October 22 2008 at 00:12
| I just listened to Obzen for the first time since I listened to it twice and didn't like it upon release. I don't know what I was thinking. This is another damn fine album by the band. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 22 2008 at 03:49
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They have yet to release something that has disappointed me. Consistently awesome band. ------------- 
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Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: October 22 2008 at 18:50
Meshuggahs my third favorite band. In fact, I'm currently wearing a Meshuggah shirt! I've never heard something from this band that I haven't liked. Nothing beats Nothing though.  Oh and... how much 'shugg could a 'shugg chuck chuck if a 'shugg chuck could chuck 'shugg? ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Neil-Kobrin/244687105562746" rel="nofollow - SUPPORT MY FATHER AND BECOME A FAN Jacob Kobrin Illustration |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 10:52
Wow ! The invasion of the metal heads  ! The thing about all these death metal bands that ruins for me is the annoying satanic vocals  . I actually took the time to listen to these guys ( I think Meshugga means something like insane or crazy in Hebrew ) and if they would just knock off those assinine vocals maybe there`s something here. I kind of liked the insanity that Mind`s Mirrors evoked sort of reminded me of some Hawkwind from the 80s. I watched the two videos Straws Pulled At Random and Shed and at leasst the latter is a bit more upbeat and reminds me of Crimson`s Thrak & Vroom album & EP a little. I own a lot of older heavier albums from Sabbath, Priest, Ministry, Rammstein, Laibach, Soundgarden etc. but these newer bands just blow it for me with the Satan vocals.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 12:04
I can't imagine a Meshuggah without Hens Kidman if i'm quite frank. I think his aggressive vocals portray the lyrical content like no other vocalist could. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 12:33
Eh, these aren't 'satanic' vocals, more like hardcore (the genre) ones. And you'd have to get rid of vocals altogether, no freaking way you can have anything in the way of clean vocals in Meshuggah, they'd come off even flatter than the present shouted ones. Removing vocals wouldn't be a major loss, but if you're to keep vocals in at all, this is the way they have to be. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 14:07
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Hardcore, Satanic whatever I`ll take Dio, Bruce Dickinson or Rob Halford any day . There`s just nothing musical here. It`s not singing. You might as well go to the zoo and listen to lions roar. Opeth have some great instrumental sections but the damn vocals just kill them.
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 14:11
| ^ Kinda like with Opeth... well, actually Opeth is even more problematic here, getting read of the growls would mean having to rewrite most of the instrumental sections. |
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 20:56
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Dude, if you say that about the vocals in 'Shugg then you obviously don't understand them. They're NOT supposed to be used like melodic instrument, as nothing else in the band is. They're used, like their drums, guitar, and bass, as a RHYTHMIC tool... like a second set of percussion.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 21:40
For a start, Meshuggah isn't even a death metal band. I don't see how anyone can confuse what it obviously an experimental/tech/groove metal band with a death metal band. They have completely and utterly different musical characteristics. Honestly, I'm starting to find it ridiculous that people come into threads, make up blatant rubbish like that, display a complete lack of knowledge/ignorance of a band/genre, and expect to still maintain credibility for their argument and expect not to receive backlash. Satan vocals? What are Satan vocals? Death Metal vocals are called death growls, not Satan vocals. What you hear in Meshuggah are vocals very much similar to hardcore screams. A completely different vocal style to "SATAN VOCALS". I don't go into a Yes thread for example and say "well, Yes wasn't an influential" when clearly that is not the case (an example of just posting blatant made up crap in a thread). If I, or others don't do that, I except the same kinda of respect back from other forum members. I think it would have been reasonable enough just to say "I don't like death metal style vocals". I think many of us can agree on that. And lastly, it's posts like those that ruin Appreciation Threads. Again, I don't go into a Caravan Appreciation thread and say "Well, personally I think Soft Machine is a far superior Canterbury band". I'd rather let all the hardcore fans just have the thread to show their love and appreciation for the band, just leave them alone without trolling a thread that was clearly not made for people to come in and bash a band. Think about how you would feel if someone came into your appreciation thread and bashed one of your favorite bands, before you go into another person's thread and bash their favorite band. It's all I ask. -------------
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 02:42
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I have to agree. Meshuggah definetely doesn't do death growls. In fact, I find Kidman's vocals pretty unique sounding in terms of growling type music, so much that you really can't compare them to other death metal bands. Ya know, I think that growls are rather operatic. That's just my opinion. If done deep and heavy, I think they pull off a lot more than what just singing could do. And yes, I think that growls could be used in an opera. At least I'd go see an opera with a growling person.
And there's definetely music behind growling. You wouldn't say there's no music behind a snare drum player because they only play one note.
 Anyway, we're turning this into a growling thread, and not a Meshuggah appreciation thread. -------------
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 02:51
yup. And that's why they have to be shouted. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 11:58
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I wasn`t growling. I just checked them out and gave my lowdown. Never said they were crap. Just not my bag and I sort of tried to explain why. The Satan vocals.
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Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 12:02
Love these guys to bits but I will admit they are a very recent discovery for me (thank you iTunes )
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 13:21
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If you want to insult me why don`t you just PM me. This just demonstrates how uncultured you are in front of the rest of the members..Lighten up and don`t take anything here too seriously.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 13:51
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I think you all should take some happy pills.
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 14:07
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This can stop here and now. If not - I'll be suspending at least two accounts for the next thirty days. VB: If you don't like metal, stay out of threads like this one. You should know better than provoking reactions like this avalanchemaster: You'd better change your tone, with the kind of words you use in the posts that will be hidden by the time you read this, you're lucky I didn't suspend you for 30 days right away. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 14:11
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Back on topic... How does ObZen compare with the other albums? I only listened to the Myspace songs once or twice and didn't like them, sounded like Meshuggah Lite to me. But I'd like to hear other opinions on this. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 14:13
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Since the mid-nineties, I read the name of Meshuggah in a lot of magazines, but, each time I heard one of their songs, I couldn't "get in it". In fact, I never dared to listen to a full album, as I didn't really like the few tunes I could hear. Needless to say, I'm not about to say anything definitive about them. Which album should I listen first, knowing I used to headbang at the records of Biohazard, Pestilence, Coroner, Voivod, Death or Sepultura when I was a teenager? |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 14:15
| ^ Destroy, Erase, Improve or Chaosphere. Probably the former is the better choice. |
Posted By: avalanchemaster
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 14:34
my apologies. I will try not to take anymore bait henceforth.... ------------- http://www.amazon.com/gp/shops/storefront/index.html?ie=UTF8&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sellerID=AP |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 14:46
I've just finished listening to the Myspace songs from obZen, and it sounds as if this album could be a good entry into Meshuggah. And I've only now realised 'obZen' is a play on 'obscene'... |
Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 15:01
| its been a long long time, but I used to really like DEI, Chaosphere is actually the last Meshuggah album I heard, I also really liked that Fredrik Thordendal's Special Defects album maybe even more than Meshuggah... |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 15:46
Thordendal's album is perfect in my opinion. Better then any of Meshuggah's albums...and thats saying a lot! |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: October 25 2008 at 11:30
Oh you can......
i would be backing you for sureNot my music here.....but your reply was a great reading.....very well written i must say1
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Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 04:57
Agree with this.. anyone claiming to be a Meshuggah fan owes it to themselves to get that album.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 04:58
Thankyou  Although I still wont be trolling any Caravan threads anytime soon though  I'll leave that to you if you want -------------
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Posted By: avalanchemaster
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 14:17
I agree also, but that is only IF THEY CAN FIND IT! ------------- http://www.amazon.com/gp/shops/storefront/index.html?ie=UTF8&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sellerID=AP |
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 23:08
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I agree, that album is amazing.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 03:16
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Any love for Elastic? I know some people think that song is tedious, but I love every second of it. -------------
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 07:29
Other than that painful bit in the middle, it is actually a fantastic song. Good call ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 19:19
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My favorite Shugg' songs are Straws Pulled at Random and Combustion. Combustion often gets no praise for some reason.
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 21:16
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 22:03
Maybe just because it's pretty simple compared to their other material, but it's definetely a really good track.
^ I would reccomend the EP/single "I". It's a 21 minute song, and it's one of the best epics I've ever heard. And if you don't like it, then you haven't really spent the money on an entire album, so it's also a good value for a starter. I haven't heard a lot of their actual albums, so maybe a better reccomendation might come from a more seasoned Meshuggah fan. -------------
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 10:11
I never found it to be painful, at least not in the negative sense anyway. It always sent these vibes of crazy paranoia down my spine and I thought that was kinda cool, since barely any songs do that for me. -------------
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 16:54
Destroy, Erase, Improve Chaosphere obZen (I think) |
Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: November 02 2008 at 14:48
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i really like a lot of meshuggah's stuff, though listening to an entire album in one sitting gets a little old. Actually the only album of theirs ive found i can sit all the way through and want more is Catch 33. a distinctly different sound for the band. i think id point the finger here for the moment when melody infiltrated their music. that asside individual songs off of nothing and DEI are very very well done. fun to listen to. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: November 02 2008 at 15:23
Hmmm... It's painful for me because it's uninteresting to my ears. However, I do agree on the paranoia bit. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: November 02 2008 at 16:24
I would check out the song "I" or the albums Nothing (the re-release) and Catch 33. The earlier stuff is thrashier and the production isn't as good. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: November 02 2008 at 16:30
Combusion rules! One of my favorites. Simple, but super catchy.
Painful bit in the middle? Everything from the middle on is rather painful, though I don't consider the end bit as part of the song. The noise was fun for about a minute, but it goes on too long and then the end is just the whole album layered on top of each other.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: November 05 2008 at 17:07
Yeah, the noise section. I don't know, I always find the ending quite entertaining as far as an experiment goes. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: popeyethecat
Date Posted: November 05 2008 at 18:30
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I probably can't contribute much here, but "I" makes me explode. I saw Meshuggah recently. Great show! The crowd were so violent and friendly at the same time :') ------------- 
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: December 02 2008 at 22:47
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And because I can, I will bump. obZen has gotten better over time. They dialed in some seriously awesome guitar tones on the Line 6 Vetta II amps for that album. Bleed, is just magnificent. The right hand technique needed to execute that riff would kill most mortals. -------------
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Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 12:14
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i was slayed by it. dont know why i even attempted that song. im not very good yet lol. SMOKE ON THE WATER!
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 12:59
As goes with the drum footwork. It's tricky for all instruments, and I would probably get away with saying it's one of the most rythmically challenging pieces ever written. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 21:24
And yet my metalhead prog-hating friend says that song's really simple. He baffles me.
I've recently listened to "Chaosphere", and man is that album crazy. I mean, "ObZen" I found what I expected, but "Chaosphere" was way more energetic than I thought it would be. I should listen to it more. "Elastic" was a bit hard to handle during that noise part, but I'm sure the rest of the song will grow on me. -------------
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: December 03 2008 at 21:30
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Anyone that says the riffing on Bleed must know nothing about guitar. It has some of the most insanely difficult "gallop" technique in it ever. I myself play some fairly technical stuff on guitar, like Buckethead, but geezus, even if I owned an 8 string guitar, I certainly wouldn't attempt to play the Bleed riffs at full speed straight away. That's just asking for a injury to my right hand/wrist. A guy on Sevenstring.org (on the forum boards) did a cover version of Bleed. He said it took some serious work to get it down, because at first the amount of lactic acid building up in his right arm was pretty brutal. -------------
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: December 04 2008 at 13:11
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You're right about Chaosphere. Because of that album alone, I find the guitarists in Meshuggah the most underrated in modern metal. Every song on that is insanely difficult to play on guitar simply because it's so damn fast. I have attempted New Millenium Cyanide Christ on a synthesiser though it wasn't easy.
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: December 05 2008 at 00:03
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Yeah well he CAN play the beginning gallops, but I found out for myself that really he can't play it at the correct tempo. He's definetely slower, so I guess not. And the thing about "Bleed" is around the 2nd verse the band puts the gallops on tons of rhythmic variations, and he says, "Oh they just play it different, like this" (plays 8th notes with random gallops thrown in). If you guys know what time signature(s) the 2nd verse part is in, please tell me. I'd love to try and listen and see if I can pick it apart. -------------
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Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: December 05 2008 at 11:19
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: December 05 2008 at 22:32
Well the thing is, sometimes you'll be able to grasp a pattern that they play. Many a Meshuggah song I listen to repeats the same measure of 7/8 several times, and then suddenly, they play almost the same riff, but they hold a note a little longer, or put in a couple extra gallop, or cut a few notes out, and then they just go nuts turning the rhythm inside out. It's incredible. -------------
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Posted By: Asphalt
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 06:22
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It has always baffled me how people can say there is no melody in Meshuggah. What exactly do these people understand through melody? It is impossible for an artist to sing without the notes eventually turning into some sort of melody (even if it's atonal music some could still hear melody). It just takes a different kind of approach to get it. I guess tolerance goes a long way. As for the music sounding the same, try some Philip Glass - now that's music that really stays the same! As for Meshuggah, I don't remember exactly how I got into them, but I know once I did I was hooked. Nowaydays there are bands that are faster, heavier, or groovier, but none with the exact balance that Meshuggah brought (and are still bringing, if you take a lsiten to obZen). I think they have been and continue to be one of the most interesting and challenging acts out there and I sure hope they keep on doing what they do (and I sometimes miss projects from these guys; not only Sol Niger but also the work with Matts/Morgan was great). |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 07:41
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My favorite metal band after Opeth and Tool. I used not to gt how people could like them jejeje, funny how that changed.
My favorite Mehuggah songs are...
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 07:45
So true. Thordendal is my favorite metal guitarist ever. I love his crazy jazzy soloing soooooooo much ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
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