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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 17:34 |
micky wrote:
Hendrix was in the one branch.. musically... that did have little bearing or impact on prog. Of course... like any suggestion ...everyone has their two cents.. that is why these threads will always pop up.. and should be allowed to pop up. Sometime.. somewhere... someone might make a definative case for him.. and here's to hoping that people aren't too busy talking ..and not listening enough to others. Always have seen that as a bit of a problem here. |
Interesting when opinions change so radically:
Micky November 13 2006 at 12:03 wrote:
NO NO NO NO NO Hendrix is not in the same boat as Iron Maiden.. Jody is right as to why Iron Maiden should be here. Hendrix was simply not prog related. Enough on this though.... I've voiced my two cents on this enough as it is. If we are going to include artists based on what... one or two goddamned songs.. wherr the hell is this going to end He was the greatest of all guitarists.. the music itself... come on.
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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 29 2008 at 17:57
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Dean
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:08 |
^ I can find no mention of the Admins deciding NOT to add Hendrix Ivan.
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Considering Hendrix died in 1970 then Prog Related would be stretching things considerable, however, Proto Prog is more suited to pre-1970 artists IF they can be shown to be influential on the development of, and contribution to the formation of, Progressive Rock. For that category the artist does not have to have played Progressive Rock, or be influenced by it, in Proto Prog it is possible to discuss studio techniques, compositional influences and playing styles as being pertinent to the development of Progressive Rock (eg The Beatles)
As far as Poll are concerned I put little value to them - 99% of the Polls were for inclusion into a Prog or Prog Related sub - the only Proto-Prog poll allowed multiple votes, so was void. You don't have to know Hendrix's music to click a Yes/No box - my pet cat could do that given time and patience.
Hendrix was part of the UK Psychedelic scene of 67/68 and toured with Pink Floyd, The Move and Soft Machine - members of all three bands have open spoken of the influence of Hendrix - I think his contribution to the Psyche-scene is immeasurable (I'm sure Eetu and the Psyche team would probably agree with that) and goes beyond technique and playing style In terms of composition and structure "Electric Ladyland" is a Proto-Prog Psyche album.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:13 |
Dean wrote:
You don't have to know Hendrix's music to click a Yes/No box - my pet cat could do that given time and patience.
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The difference is that we are not your pet cat, and your comparison sounds offensive to say the less, even with your Adm hat on or off.
I believe we are honest peope with more intelligence and musical knowledge than your cat.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 29 2008 at 18:15
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The Quiet One
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:14 |
^well said Dean
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:19 |
Cacho, if comparing people who give their honest opinion in a poll with an animal, then well said
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Dean
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:28 |
^ Meh - a poll vote is anonymous - it is impossible to tell the reason behind a Yes or a No vote - a Yes vote could be for all the wrong reasons, for example "I like Hendrix therefore I vote Yes" - Sorry if my cat analogy offends you, he is a very intelligent cat.
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:31 |
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Here's my two cents. Compared to Journey (for example) Jimi was as progressive as an artist can get. He should be in here. |
you're right he was a very progressive artist ..so was Eddie Van Halen but it is the music we usually look at for inclusion rather than individual virtuosity
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The Quiet One
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:35 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Cacho, if comparing people who give their honest opinion in a poll with an animal, then well said
Iván |
Just because you don't like other people's opinion being opposite as yours, doesn't mean they're wrong. So please let me be free to express my opinions, as you ask when other people insult you or offend you.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:37 |
Dean wrote:
- Sorry if my cat analogy offends you, he is a very intelligent cat. |
A joke doesn't make your comment less offensive, probably worst.
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Dean
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:52 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Dean wrote:
- Sorry if my cat analogy offends you, he is a very intelligent cat. |
A joke doesn't make your comment less offensive, probably worst.
Iván |
Okay it was a silly joke - I admit that - but there was no way in this earth was I ever equating the intelligence and musical knowledge of a domestic moggie with the voting population of this site - I was simply pointing out that anyone can vote in a poll and that knowledge of the artist is not a prerequisite.
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crimson87
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:53 |
We don't have to pick a fight for this issues , after all we all seem to agree that Hendrix should be here.
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 18:57 |
Dean wrote:
^ I can find no mention of the Admins deciding NOT to add Hendrix Ivan.
[admin hat off]
Considering Hendrix died in 1970 then Prog Related would be stretching things considerable, however, Proto Prog is more suited to pre-1970 artists IF they can be shown to be influential on the development of, and contribution to the formation of, Progressive Rock. For that category the artist does not have to have played Progressive Rock, or be influenced by it, in Proto Prog it is possible to discuss studio techniques, compositional influences and playing styles as being pertinent to the development of Progressive Rock (eg The Beatles)
As far as Poll are concerned I put little value to them - 99% of the Polls were for inclusion into a Prog or Prog Related sub - the only Proto-Prog poll allowed multiple votes, so was void. You don't have to know Hendrix's music to click a Yes/No box - my pet cat could do that given time and patience.
Hendrix was part of the UK Psychedelic scene of 67/68 and toured with Pink Floyd, The Move and Soft Machine - members of all three bands have open spoken of the influence of Hendrix - I think his contribution to the Psyche-scene is immeasurable (I'm sure Eetu and the Psyche team would probably agree with that) and goes beyond technique and playing style In terms of composition and structure "Electric Ladyland" is a Proto-Prog Psyche album.
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In this specific case I agree with you. But also Band Of Gypsy is to be included in this situation, because I think that it is more Progressive as compared to Experience.
Edited by Mandrakeroot - November 29 2008 at 18:58
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 19:04 |
^ , I concur Mandrakeroot
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Peter
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 19:30 |
Argue, argue argue!
I don't give a flying firetruck, really.
( Hey there, Otto Sensor -- how's it going?)
I like and own Hendrix and Yes, Crimson & Genesis CDs. Nothing this site does -- or does not do -- will ever change that.
Again: "progressive" (let alone influenced, or was influenced by "progressive") IS AN OUTDATED, VAGUE, SUBJECTIVE, NEAR MEANINGLESS and basically USELESS way to go about categorizing music! The term flat-out doesn't work!
Christ! Just start a general rock site!
No wait... we like jazz, metal & folk too...
I got it, let's call it " Allmusic.com"
... or, just do what I do: categorize it yourself, to suit yourself, on your shelves, Ipod, tapes and complilation CDs. Decide for yourself -- stop trying to decide for everybody else!
Let's talk about something at least half real, like parenting, declining civility, global warming, terrorism -- or even American gun violence....
Edited by Peter - November 29 2008 at 19:36
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 19:52 |
Mandrakeroot wrote:
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But also Band Of Gypsy is to be included in this situation, because I think that it is more Progressive as compared to Experience. |
I'm sorry Mandy but I know of no evidence to support this.. BoG released one absolutely terrific live album of blues rock (Jimi's finest moment IMO) and at no time do they exhibit anything even partly progressive, and the same for their other brilliant performances from that 2-day, 4 show event that have since been issued, nor Berkeley
Edited by Atavachron - November 29 2008 at 19:54
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micky
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 20:06 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
micky wrote:
Hendrix was in the one branch.. musically... that did have little bearing or impact on prog. Of course... like any suggestion ...everyone has their two cents.. that is why these threads will always pop up.. and should be allowed to pop up. Sometime.. somewhere... someone might make a definative case for him.. and here's to hoping that people aren't too busy talking ..and not listening enough to others. Always have seen that as a bit of a problem here. |
Interesting when opinions change so radically:
Micky November 13 2006 at 12:03 wrote:
NO NO NO NO NO Hendrix is not in the same boat as Iron Maiden.. Jody is right as to why Iron Maiden should be here. Hendrix was simply not prog related. Enough on this though.... I've voiced my two cents on this enough as it is. If we are going to include artists based on what... one or two goddamned songs.. wherr the hell is this going to end He was the greatest of all guitarists.. the music itself... come on.
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I figured you were smart enough to stop f**king with me Ivan... quit quoted me as if this was a f**king trial hahahha.
micky wrote:
This is not a suggestion from Mars... that said.. he
doesn't belong here in my opinion. Explained why in a different
thread.. different topic... when someone suggested Cream.
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my opinion has not changed.
Edited by micky - November 29 2008 at 20:07
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 20:18 |
Dean wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Dean wrote:
- Sorry if my cat analogy offends you, he is a very intelligent cat. |
A joke doesn't make your comment less offensive, probably worst.
Iván |
Okay it was a silly joke - I admit that - but there was no way in this earth was I ever equating the intelligence and musical knowledge of a domestic moggie with the voting population of this site - I was simply pointing out that anyone can vote in a poll and that knowledge of the artist is not a prerequisite. |
Don't worry Dean, I read much worst things.
But I tend to trust in the people who vote.
Iván
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 20:20 |
micky wrote:
my opinion has not changed.
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Which one?
Sorry, couldn't resist the chance.
Iván
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micky
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Posted: November 29 2008 at 20:49 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
micky wrote:
my opinion has not changed.
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Which one?
Sorry, couldn't resist the chance.
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hahaha... it's OK... unlike some around here.. I won't go crying to the admins asking posts to be hidden. sorry... couldn't resist the chance
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ProgBagel
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Posted: November 30 2008 at 00:32 |
Phew!, back at school. Nice to see how this thread has progressed in just a day.
I think the poll results are really irrelevant here. If I voted in that poll a year ago, I would of voted no. To me, back then, he just seemed like a blues and rock guitarist. After getting his albums and listening to them, blues and rock didn't really describe it too well. There was so much more going on in his music then those two genres of music.
I don't see why proto wouldn't be a good fit. It doesn't fall strictly under a prog definition...but it has influenced it heavily. And I think everyone can agree on his undeniable influence and part creation of the pyschedelic genre.
I have seen him listed on progressive websites as well. This wouldn't just a progarchive's exclusive artist.
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