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I want hate mail!!!


I even smashed Kayo Dot and only got a letter saying that the person agreed with me!!!!!


Just be happy people are reading and getting pissed!

I was hoping for some angry avant-kids, but no dice 

Epignosis wrote: MovingPictures07, you got:

Alright. Thank you.

Bern wrote: Epignosis wrote: Bern wrote: Well I personnally think your first responses were quite harsh and ignorant but I won't make much out of it.  I think it's jackassery to write someone a PM telling them they don't know anything, simply because you don't like that person's review.  I gave a careful assessment of an album on an album I genuinely wanted to love (of course I wanted to love it- I spent money on it).  Sadly, I only like about half of it- hence a 3 rating. It's ridiculous. Yeah sending a PM was stupid but I don't think he was that harsh. I just really don't like what you said about art and free improvisations. No offense but, having studied arts for a long time in my life, I hear those kind of things everyday from people who know nothing about arts. Ten years ago, I might have said something like that too. It's what we get from the normal occidental education. And since a lot of the music I adore is made of "directionless improvisation" (which I personnally see as a good way to describe it and not an insult to it) and that I know that it may be the most fun you can have when you are actually playing it, I don't like your comment about it either. Directionless jams showcase the musicians at their best most of the time. Just listen to their capacity of switching chords all at once, merge all together in an atmosphere, display their emotions, etc. My two cents.

It all comes down to opinion. Being a huge fan of RIO/Avant, I often really enjoy and find new discoveries out of music that by most peoples' standards is heavily improvisational but actually has a purpose and structure to it; it's simply hard to detect. Being a composer as well has showed me that sometimes some of the most intriguing and groundbreaking compositions come from what would be regarded as "silly" or just improvisational--but that's really where all songs do begin. Whether a song actually continues its form to become an actual song or stays purely improv is proven to be a subjective matter, and that's all it is.

I can understand both perspectives here, but I think someone PMing that to him was incredibly shameful, rude, and unintellectual. He has a right to his opinions and he explained himself extremely well. Just because someone else doesn't like it doesn't mean they get to act like a snob and think they know more than they do. Who is to say anyone is more qualified than anyone else to comment about art just because they have a degree in it or for any other reason?

Epignosis wrote: Bern wrote: Epignosis wrote: Bern wrote: Well I personnally think your first responses were quite harsh and ignorant but I won't make much out of it.  I think it's jackassery to write someone a PM telling them they don't know anything, simply because you don't like that person's review.  I gave a careful assessment of an album on an album I genuinely wanted to love (of course I wanted to love it- I spent money on it).  Sadly, I only like about half of it- hence a 3 rating. It's ridiculous. Yeah sending a PM was stupid but I don't think he was that harsh. I just really don't like what you said about art and free improvisations. No offense but, having studied arts for a long time in my life, I hear those kind of things everyday from people who know nothing about arts. Ten years ago, I might have said something like that too. It's what we get from the normal occidental education. And since a lot of the music I adore is made of "directionless improvisation" (which I personnally see as a good way to describe it and not an insult to it) and that I know that it may be the most fun you can have when you are actually playing it, I don't like your comment about it either. Directionless jams showcase the musicians at their best most of the time. Just listen to their capacity of switching chords all at once, merge all together in an atmosphere, display their emotions, etc. My two cents. I'll be sending you a nasty PM very soon. Just kidding.  Freely splattering paint on a canvas requires no talent.  I'm sorry- it doesn't.  I suck at art, but I can do that. "Directionless" improvisation (I believe there is certainly a difference between directionless and skilled improvisation) doesn't require much more talent. It's like throwing darts in the dark.  You might hit the board, but you didn't deserve to.  I just believe that since early King Crimson was obviously very talented, they could have used the last nine minutes of "Moonchild" to construct something.  Not just mess around. Hearing long strings of nonsense like that makes me very suspect that the artists are just trying to fill time.  I value structure, or if anything, the semblance of structure.

That's an entirely understandable viewpoint. KC has only gotten better over time, despite how much that album was influential and the fact that I do actually like it.

Epignosis wrote: Anyway guys, no need to turn a friendly thread into something highly argumentative. "Opinions are like assholes.  Everybody's got one and some of them stink."

I don't plan on turning it argumentative; I agree with you there.

Haha, nice quote.

Epignosis wrote: Speaking of King Crimson, that's my next series of cards.  There will be more Rush also, and many others to be had.

Awesome! Can't wait for those.

For now though I think I'm going to get off my ass and go do some things. I'll definitely be back for a while later.

I can't do it at all tonight but I was wondering if I ever got a card from playing last time.

Epignosis wrote: Anyway guys, no need to turn a friendly thread into something highly argumentative. "Opinions are like assholes.  Everybody's got one and some of them stink."

Yeah, I just posted a long argument.

It doesn't really open up debate. I think you guys should read it. Should be an interesting read.

Bern wrote: Epignosis wrote: Anyway guys, no need to turn a friendly thread into something highly argumentative. "Opinions are like assholes.  Everybody's got one and some of them stink." Yeah, I just posted a long argument. It doesn't really open up debate. I think you guys should read it. Should be an interesting read.

I certainly will read what you wrote.  I don't mind people telling me they think my asshole opinion stinks.  I hate when it's done without any substantiation whatsoever (like the PM I got).  I appreciate your well-thought out reply (with examples, no less!).  I'll respond to it, if that's okay (I've not read it yet, so I don't know what I'm going to say.  ).

I just don't want anyone to get bitter here, that's all, and I can definitely be sharp with my tongue if I so choose.  Pat's already nailed me once before for it.