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harry's toenail
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Posted: September 26 2004 at 09:28 |
Reed Lover - it's just that looking back at my post I can see how it could have been taken as a personal dissing, and that's not what I'd intended when I typed it. I always prefer to get along unless someone is a total arsehole, and I have seen serious and usually unnecessary flame wars start up on discussion forums out of molehills, and drag everyone down with them. I don't want that! I prefer to hang around in forums where there is some feeling of friendly cameraderie, and so I do what I can to help keep it that way![](smileys/smiley4.gif)
And yeah, Amon Duul's Phallus Dei is classic stuff! I didn't list it previously because I thought the next 2 were a lot more psychedelic, and I was listing mainly for that qualification. I suppose having said that, I should have listed a few more Ash Ra Tempel albums, like Schwingungen, Seven Up, Join Inn, Starring Rosi, Le Berceau de Cristal [sp.?] and Inventions For Electric Guitar.
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Posted: September 26 2004 at 09:36 |
I'd also like to add Man's self-titled 1970 album! Mainly for 'The Alchemist'.
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lomboklombok
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Posted: September 28 2004 at 06:11 |
Petra wrote:
Hmmm ..were does just pure electronic or rock experimental start and psychedelic end? ..Bah it’s all too confusing for me! I just want something warm and fuzzy but with an aggressive bite, if that makes sense.. (which I doubt it does) ![](smileys/smiley29.gif) |
Hi Petra,
interesting suggestions till now!
My recommadation for you: Achim Reichel - Die grüne Reise.
An amazing heavy prog/psych album from 1971. Maybe hard to get outside Germany ? That brings me to another question. Where do you prog lovers get you stuff ??? Maybe an interesting new thread...
All the best lomboklombok
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Posted: September 28 2004 at 07:03 |
Gong has been mentioned previously but may I suggest that their meisterwerk 'Camembert Electric' is best enjoyed while in a nice hot bath with a glass of good wine and a cheese and pickle sandwich ![](smileys/smiley4.gif)
Has anybody mentioned 'An Electric Storm' by White Noise yet?
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Petra
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Posted: September 28 2004 at 07:28 |
lomboklombok wrote:
Petra wrote:
Hmmm ..were does just pure electronic or rock experimental start and psychedelic end? ..Bah it’s all too confusing for me! I just want something warm and fuzzy but with an aggressive bite, if that makes sense.. (which I doubt it does) ![](smileys/smiley29.gif) |
Hi Petra,
interesting suggestions till now!
My recommadation for you: Achim Reichel - Die grüne Reise.
An amazing heavy prog/psych album from 1971. Maybe hard to get outside Germany ? That brings me to another question. Where do you prog lovers get you stuff ??? Maybe an interesting new thread...
All the best lomboklombok
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Thanks ...I've just looked around the net for Achim Reichel i think it is going to be a challenge to find some. I quite often look on Soulseek a get a taster and talk to the people in there for suggestions. Record fairs are an exellent way to get rare/old albums, all the large towns in the UK have them about once a month. If the guys from those fairs can't get you something then you are in trouble!
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harry's toenail
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Posted: September 28 2004 at 09:38 |
Yep, White Noise's 'Electric Storm' was mentioned, and a great album it is too! The 2nd White Noise album is pretty tripped out but has lots of cheesy moments too, which might dilute its value for some... I like it, though. The 3rd one has its moments, too.
Not sure if I mentioned the first 2 Clearlight albums, 'Symphony' and 'Forever Blowing Bubbles'... the first features musicians from Gong and Lard Free! The Clearlight-related Delired Chamaeleon Family album is pretty cool too.
Re: where do we get our stuff? I scour record shops whenever I can, but in Australia it's pretty hard to find much of the rarer and obscure stuff [unless you're lucky, or you're prepared to part with lots of money]. Even Australian prog is mostly pretty rare here on vinyl, with the exception of Sebastian Hardie and Windchase albums, which are pretty easy to find for a reasonable price [don't like 'em much, myself]. I don't go to record fairs much because I hate that feeling of racing through to find the gold before someone beats you to it. It seems a lot of the best stuff often gets traded between the dealers, anyway, so there's a lot of great stuff at such fairs that the customers never get a chance at. On the rare occasion I get to another country I certainly spend most of my time in record shops - I got my copy of Achim Reichel's 'Die Grune Reise' in Amsterdam for 40 euros. A friend who used to work at a record shop got his hands on a copy of 'Ehrolung' [another example of the customers never seeing the best stuff that comes through - unless you're friends with the staff ]. It's a big shame that there are no official CD reissues of any of the classic early Achim Reichel or A.R. & Machines albums. There are bootlegs of all but Echo, but they're pretty hard to find these days. I imagine if I started looking 10 or 15 years ago, it might have been easier!
In the end, though, most of the stuff in my collection I've had to order from overseas, or I've taped rare LP's from friends. Ultima Thule have served very well in much of my purchasing! Record Heaven in Sweden is also pretty good, and I've gotten some hard to find CD's from Doug Larson Imports.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: September 28 2004 at 13:36 |
Petra wrote:
Oooh Just got back from a weekend away in Prague and its great to see the suggestions still coming.
Does that city have any decent specialist record stores - I would really like to catch up Collegium Musicium's 1970's back catalogue without paying 13 quid plus attached to their Czech made CDs imported here.
Hmmm ..were does just pure electronic or rock experimental start and psychedelic end? ..Bah it’s all too confusing for me! I just want something warm and fuzzy but with an aggressive bite, if that makes sense.. (which I doubt it does) ![](smileys/smiley29.gif)
Sorry no clear demarcation, musical development doesn't work like that. Electronic music goes at least back to the 50's, before tape recorders were even generally available. There was a rich period of "electronics" pre-synths in the early 60's , Terry Riley for instance; I recently spotted a CD reissue of Riley's taped treatment of jazzman Chet Baker (early Soft Machinist/Gong leader Daevid Allen was involved in some of Riley's experiments). Riley moved on to be one of the first popularisers of minimalism but using more conventional instruments, his Rainbow In Curved Air being essential. BTW for a modern take on taped music, check out Hugh Hopper's latest album The Stolen Hour released this summer - in other words that which was first started in the early 60's is still being practiced.
The Beatles dabbled (e.g. Revolution No 9 - derived from C.H. Stockhausen) and I have a George Harrison album Electronic Sounds (on the short lived APPLE spin-off , ZAPPLE - was his soundtrack for Wonderwall on that label too?). I'm sure Whitenoise relied more on tapes than electronic keyboards - and Whitenoise's first album had some connection with the BBC Radiophonic Workshop (Celia Darbyshire, Paddy Kingsland are names that might be relevant here), which was set up at the same time. And before the BBC Radiphonic Workshop, the Beeb relied quite a bit on the avante French group Les Structures Sonore for strange musical effects - all produced on novel instruments (most of which were stringed but bashed rathered than bowed or plucked ).
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Petra
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Posted: September 28 2004 at 16:32 |
Lomboklombok- A german friend on SoulSeek has Die grune Reise by A.R & Machines and am listening to it now and i like its surprisingly acoustic in places. But some crazy stuff going on in there too!!!! ![](smileys/smiley29.gif)
Dick - Not sure if their are any specialist CD stores in Prague i never got the chance to look which is a shame because everything is incredibly cheap there! I was forced to look at all those darn touristy places. heh
Hairy's Toenail- I agree with that you all the dealers at Record Fairs do trade the best stuff before they open but i have a friend that a dealer too.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: September 29 2004 at 10:11 |
Petra wrote:
Dick - Not sure if their are any specialist CD stores in Prague i never got the chance to look which is a shame because everything is incredibly cheap there! I was forced to look at all those darn touristy places. heh
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Give us advanced notic of the next trip and you might like to take my shopping list!.
Putting music together for my radio show tomorrow night, I was reminded that a friend lent me the Duke of the Stratosphear's compo - this is post punk band and Swindon's finest (or was that Stackridge), better known as XTC but in strictly psychedelic mode (as I've lost details of this thread, I can't remember if they have been mentioned here?). Check out the show tomorrow night between 8 and 11pm and you should catch their 25 O'Clock
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if the promise to have our PC system up and running for tomorrow night's webcasting , is kept by our engineers
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