I'm a sucker for psychedelic rock and the crassly named Stoner Rock....I love bands from Spirit to Spacemen3 to Monster Magnet and Kyuss and the more recent fabulous Dead Meadow.

What psychedelic prog would you recommend?  are Brainticket the band for me?

swg0d0fmusic wrote: I was about to say PT since you dont mention them but i hadnt noticed your little pic and your signature

Oh I adore PT   but I'm looking for something much heavier something that really pushes the boundries of psychedelica to the extreme! 

Hawkwind

Pink Floyd

Gong

They don't get a lot more psychedelic than those 3!

Hawkwind, Hillage and the Ozrics..

Some early Floyd.

Amon Duul II are excellent and yes im a little bit of a fan of Hawkwind, Infact I saw them a few months back and for the first time in years i was one of the youngest ones at the gig  

Hillage, Gong and Pink Floyd are all OK.

Ozric Tentacles sound brilliant ( How come i havn't heard any of theirs.. they seem to have a trillion albums too!)  What album do people recommend?  

I will investigate Vanilla Fudge too. But i really want to hear some Brainticket after reading the archives, especially their first album it looks right up my street. 

Petra

From the Ozrics huge collection I would strongly recommend 'Erpland' 'Strangeitude' and 'Jurassic Shift'

All their albums after 'Pungent Effulgent'  - their first I think -  sound very similar, but in a good way . They are underated and pretty much self financed and promoted as far as I know.

James Lee wrote: what about Hillage?

Um, didn't he used to play for Gong...?

The Orb and System 7 are other Hillage related projects worth checking out.

Did I ever mention the fact I once played bass for the Ozrics...? Great band!

If you haven't spotted how psychedelic Hawkwind, Gong and Floyd are, then you just haven't got into the psychedelic thing quite heavily enough, I would humbly suggest

Then there's Rubber Soul, Revolver and Sgt Pepper.

But I would guess that true psychedelia is a whole world away from "stoner rock" (I have no idea what that is - I'm lost with all these new terms).

Cert:

'Stoner rock' ?? Not familar with that myself, but I'm guessing its some kind of 'yoof' speak, some sort of nadsat for 'Psychedelia. Psychedelia is to difficult to say or to spell for todays kids.

Yes Gong

also Spacecraft/paradoxe

dark cosmic cerebral psyche prog somewhere between Heldon and Clearlight

Quote from Cert.. If you haven't spotted how psychedelic Hawkwind, Gong and Floyd are, then you just haven't got into the psychedelic thing quite heavily enough, I would humbly suggest

You are probably right there, but i have listened to a fair amount of Floyd, Gong and the Hurdy Gurdy man himself, i just want something different

Blacksword ..I'm not one of these 'yoofs' you talk of  but look at   http://stonerrock.com/home.asp - http://stonerrock.com/home.asp  . You will  probably hate it but what the hec!

Petra wrote: Quote from Cert.. If you haven't spotted how psychedelic Hawkwind, Gong and Floyd are, then you just haven't got into the psychedelic thing quite heavily enough, I would humbly suggest You are probably right there, but i have listened to a fair amount of Floyd, Gong and the Hurdy Gurdy man himself, i just want something different Blacksword ..I'm not one of these 'yoofs' you talk of  but look at   http://stonerrock.com/home.asp - http://stonerrock.com/home.asp  . You will  probably hate it but what the hec!

Scary stuff! Looks pretty Satanic to me

No, I know you're no 'yoof' You're far to elequent, and you contribute on a prog forum  

Certif1ed wrote: James Lee wrote: what about Hillage? Um, didn't he used to play for Gong...?

Uh, no, I meant the other Hillage...Fred Hillage! Yeah, sure...

That's what I get for not reading the previous posts before mouthing off

Yeah- Ozric Testicals-- oh 'scuse me ...Tentacles...    Hawkwind, Floyd,early Porcupine Tree

and old Jefferson Airplane

For tripped-out value I'd recommend these albums -

Abunai! - Round Wound

Acid Mothers Temple - La Novia [and if you're feeling like more of a brain-burn, their debut, Acid Mothers Temple & the Floating Paraiso UFO]

Agitation Free - Malesch

Algarnas Tradgard - Framtiden ar ett Svavande...

Amon Duul II - Yeti & Dance of the Lemmings

Annexus Quam - Osmose

Archaia - Archaia

Ash Ra Tempel - Ash Ra Tempel

Philippe Besombes - Libra

Between - And the Waters Opened [this is not rock at all, more a deeply spiritual 'ethnic' headtrip]

Boredoms - Vision, Creation, New Sun

Brainticket - Cottonwood Hill; Psychonaut; Celestial Ocean; Adventure; Voyage [don't know how much you'd like these last 2 if you're more into heavier stuff, but large parts of both are very tripped out indeed]

Brave New World - Impressions on Reading Aldous Huxley

Can - Tago Mago; Ege Bamyesi; Future Days

Catharsis - Masq; Les Chevrons; Illuminations; Le Bolero du Veau des Dames

Cheval Fou - 1970-1975

Circle - Alotus

Code III - Planet of Man

Jean Cohen-Solal - Flute Libres; Captain Tarthopom

Corcucopia - Full Horn

Cosmic Jokers - all

Damenbart - Impressionen '71

Deuter - D; Aum

DOM - Edge of Time

Drum Circus - Magic Theatre

Dzyan - Time Machine; Electric Silence

Egg - The Polite Force

Eloy - Inside

Far East Family Band - Parallel World

Faust - Faust; The Faust Tapes

Fifty Foot Hose - Cauldron

Flower Travellin' Band - Satori

Peter Frohmader - Kanaan Live 1975

Funkadelic - Free Your Mind; Maggot Brain

Gila - Free Electric Sound

Sergius Golowin - Lord Krishna Von Goloka

Gong - camembert Electrique; Angels' Egg; You

Grateful Dead - Anthem of the Sun

Group 1850 - Polyandri

Guru Guru - UFO; Hinten; Kanguru

Hampton Grease Band - Music to Eat

Herbie Hancock - Sextant

Hawkwind - Hawkwind; In Search of Space [etc. you surely know what you like]

Dashiell Hedayat - Obsolete

Steve Hillage - Fish Rising

IAO Core - Armadillium Vulgare

Id - Where Are We Going

Igra Staklenih Perli - Igra Staklenih Perli

L'Infonie - Volume 333

Jefferson Airplane - After Bathing at Baxter's

Joyride - Friendsound

Kingdom Come - Galactic Zoo Dossier; Kingdom Come; Journey

Kraftwerk - Kraftwerk

Krokodil - An Invisible World Revealed

Lard Free - Gilbert Artman's Lard Free; I'm Around About Midnight; III

Franco Leprino - Integrati... Disintegrati [no rock at all here, just a fascinating electroacoustic headtrip]

Magical Power Mako - Jump

Albert Marcoeur - Albert Marcoeur; Album a Colorier

Mushroom - Hydrogen Jukebox

Mythos - Mythos; Dreamlab

Neptune Towers - Caravans to Empire Algol

Nyl - Nyl

Pataphonie - Le Matin Blanc

People - Ceremony: Buddha Meet Rock

Pi Corp - Lost in the Cosmic Void

oh yeah, almost forgot Heldon - just about anything from the 70's!

love lost of earlier Pink Floyd, but no point trying to tell you about what you certainly know... [ not that I'm assuming the rest of this stuff is unknown to all of you]

Planet Gong - Live Floating Anarchy '77

PLJ Band - Armageddon

Pole - Besombes-Rizet

Pulsar - Pollen

Pyramid - Pyramid

Quiet Sun - Mainstream

A.R. & Machines - Due Grune Reise; Echo; III; IV; Autovision; Ehrolung

Catherine Ribeiro + Alpes - Ame Debout; Paix; Le Rat Debile et l'Homme des Champs

Terry Riley - A Rainbow in Curved Air

Terje Rypdal - Odyssey

Sensations Fix - Fragments of Light; Portable Madness

Silberbart - 4 Times Sound Razing

Soft - Shamanic Waveform

Spacecraft - Paradoxe

Steamhammer - Speech

Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation; Alpha Centauri; Atem

Steve Tibbetts - Steve Tibbetts

Touch - Touch [aka 20/20 Sound]

Verto - Krig/Volubilis

Visitors - Visitors

Igor Wakhevitch - all

Wapassou - Messe en Re Mineur

White Noise - An Electric Storm

Xhol Caravan - Electrip

Ya Ho Wha 13 - Penetration

Yatha Sidhra - A Meditation Mass

Zanzibar Cob - Muirbiliuqesid

Zed - Visions of Dune

well, a  lot of that might not exactly blow your stack for you but there's a lot of good stuff there for trippiness factor... as you can tell I've spent a lot fo time in the past tripping and listening to things

Lard Free - Gilbert Artman's Lard Free; I'm Around About Midnight; III

Franco Leprino - Integrati... Disintegrati [no rock at all here, just a fascinating electroacoustic headtrip]

Magical Power Mako - Jump

Albert Marcoeur - Albert Marcoeur; Album a Colorier

Mushroom - Hydrogen Jukebox

Mythos - Mythos; Dreamlab

Neptune Towers - Caravans to Empire Algol

Nyl - Nyl

Pataphonie - Le Matin Blanc

People - Ceremony: Buddha Meet Rock

Pi Corp - Lost in the Cosmic Void

oh yeah, almost forgot Heldon - just about anything from the 70's!

love lost of earlier Pink Floyd, but no point trying to tell you about what you certainly know... [ not that I'm assuming the rest of this stuff is unknown to all of you]

Planet Gong - Live Floating Anarchy '77

PLJ Band - Armageddon

Pole - Besombes-Rizet

Pulsar - Pollen

Pyramid - Pyramid

Quiet Sun - Mainstream

A.R. & Machines - Due Grune Reise; Echo; III; IV; Autovision; Ehrolung

Catherine Ribeiro + Alpes - Ame Debout; Paix; Le Rat Debile et l'Homme des Champs

Terry Riley - A Rainbow in Curved Air

Terje Rypdal - Odyssey

Sensations Fix - Fragments of Light; Portable Madness

Silberbart - 4 Times Sound Razing

Soft - Shamanic Waveform

Spacecraft - Paradoxe

Steamhammer - Speech

Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation; Alpha Centauri; Atem

Steve Tibbetts - Steve Tibbetts

Touch - Touch [aka 20/20 Sound]

Verto - Krig/Volubilis

Visitors - Visitors

Igor Wakhevitch - all

Wapassou - Messe en Re Mineur

White Noise - An Electric Storm

Xhol Caravan - Electrip

Ya Ho Wha 13 - Penetration

Yatha Sidhra - A Meditation Mass

Zanzibar Cob - Muirbiliuqesid

Zed - Visions of Dune

well, a  lot of that might not exactly blow your stack for you but there's a lot of good stuff there for trippiness factor... as you can tell I've spent a lot fo time in the past tripping and listening to things

If you're talking about real psychedelic music that could be the bands like Jefferson airplane,Iron butterfly,Grateful dead,Small faces,Vanilla fudge,Captain beefheart&his magic band,The byrds,Donovan.So you should try with captain beefheart.

Or you can try with Tangerine Dream(Stratosfear,Alpha centauri,Atem,Phaedra...) I think this is what you're looking for(even it's not really psychedelic)

Maybe Agitation free-second.

I would have thought that's a way of defining psychedelic music that doesn't really fit in a broad-minded discussion. I mean, that's the narrowest most limiting way of thinking of psychedelic music. Jefferson Airplane, Vanilla Fudge etc. - yes, these are 'psychedelic bands' firstly in the sense that they originated in the time when 'psychedelic music' was first being played all over the place. Compared to many of the 70's band I listed above, however, most so-called psychedelic bands pale in regards to how psychedelic they are. What I'm trying to say is that psychedelia didn't end in the 60's, it carried on through the 70's and beyond, partly buried amongst what folks here would think of as progressive rock. It's not a style that must be associated with 60's styles - if that's what you mean it'll be clearer to others if you talk of psych or sike rather than psychedelic music as such. As someone who lives it as he talks it and has experimented a great deal with psychedelics, I'd like to strongly assert that to limit 'real' psychedelic music to just the stuff from the 60's is both inaccurate and silly. I've met folks who think there's some firm barrier to be defeneded, between 'real' 60's psychedelic music and the so-called 'fake gimmicks' of bands who experimented with electronics and studio effects. I just laugh at how uptight such people must be to have to make such barriers, because they exist only in people's heads. What matters is the result, the effect the music has on the listener. Psychedelic means, roughly, mind manifesting, or something that makes the innermost workings of the mind apparent to ourselves. In the sense of 'real psychedelic music' as I see it and experience it, most 60's psych is mere kiddy stuff playing around the edges, whereas much of the stuff that has been swallowed by the genres of prog or so-called 'krautrock' represents the more seriously psychedelic stuff that dives right in there. There are exceptions of course but I'm just basically trying to debunk the notion that psychedelic prog isn't 'real' psychedelic music and that 60's rock is.

I used to spend a fair bit of time on discussion forums for psychedelic plants, and people there would occasionally argue about the use of the word psychedelic. Some people felt that it associated their interests with boring vegan hippies and day-glo VW's, or more specifically, that it was a word that belonged only to the 60's and therefore to be remembered in association with the most embarassing elements from that time; others were more aware of the actual roots of the word, which had nothing to do with the cliche of 60's psychedelic culture and music (and everything to do with the exploration of the mind and soul), and as such were happy to continue using it, as after all, it is a very nice word to say and to look at on a page, and most of all, it is the most broadly appropriate term for what it describes. Words that have been suggested to replace it have drawn more arguments than 'psychedelic' [which to be technically correct should actually be spelled 'psychodelic'].

Getting away from the point somewhat, but you now know what gets my goat!

Btw, 'Solar Music Live', that's the other live Birth Control album, isn't it? I've wanted to hear that one for a while.

And Zappa 123, I didn't mean to sound insulting at all, but I had to say what I felt

You know, it just have to sound like 10CC's I'm not in love, the weird bit!

harry's toenail wrote: Steamhammer - Speech

All I know (and have of) Steamhammer is Steamhammer and Mountain, (Cd versions both bought in UT, to replace long held LPs version), which have always been blues rock to me. I spent 9 months tracking down Junior's Wailing after hearing it played in a Spanish disco at the end of 60's, not knowing tune title or band, only to have somebody to come in my record shop and ask for this track to be played from Steamhammer  and before he could buy it, I bought it. And Mountain has that great bass guitar jam on Riding On The L'n'N. So how does this one compare?

Ah... Tiny Tim? You'll have to explain how he links in!

Steamhammer's Speech is quite different to the earlier stuff. Really, it's perhaps not trippy enough to have listed here but I love it so much my typing fingers couldn't hold back. In some ways it steps on from the long live track on Mountains, but in more of a space rock direction. [That is, space rock of their own design, they don't sound like any other 'space rock' bands I can think of except perhaps slight hints of elements of Hawkwind and Clear Blue Sky] Basically, they're stripped back to a g/b/d trio, and there's some subtle studio effects and interesting mixing to give it more psychedelic depth. There's 3 tracks. The first is a lengthy space trek of sorts with repetitive grooves but always building to new changes; it's pretty raw in the guitar department, with some of the roaring lines mixed a bit too loud in comparison to everything else, but that's only a slight complaint. Following this is a storming, complex, spacey prog metal number that just stomps everything in its path; then the album closes with another good track that is more or less an excuse for a fairly complex drum solo.

I've always been a bit miffed that even the liner notes to the Repertoire CD reissue seem to make out that this was their worst album, whereas from what I've heard [Mountains and a little bit of the Mk II-era stuff] it's easily their best. Anyway, I think the liner notes are the same for all of the Repertoire reissues of Steamhammer albums. Some time after this two of the members formed Armageddon with an ex-Captain Beyond member; they were also a pretty cool band, blending the hard rocking rhythmic strong-points of both prime Steamhammer and prime early Captain Beyond.

WHATS TO EXPLAIN!?? TIP TOE THROUGH THE TULIPS WAS A PSYCHADELIC PROGROCK CLASSIC!!!!.

OLD TIM WAS AHEAD OF HIS TIME!!!!!!!!

YES JAMES,I AGREE!!

DID YOU ALSO NOTICE TINY TIMS USE OF THE TULIP AS A METAPHOR FOR MANS DESIRE TO BREAK OUT OF THE DRABNESS OF HIS PRESENT STATE OF BEING AND TO ENTER, TIP TOING CAUTIOUSLY INTO THE GREATER AND MORE COLOURFUL WORLD OF INTELLECTUAL LIBERTY.

WE ALL DESIRE THIS CLARITY..,THIS GRASPING AT THE INFINATE AND TINY TIM IN HIS MINIMALIST BUT STILL PROGRESSIVE WAY,ENCAPULATES THIS YEARNING IN A DECEPTIVLY SIMPLE YET PHILISOPHICLY DEEP SONG.

GENIUS,SHEER GENIUS!!! THE MAN IS A PROG LEGEND!!!

harry's toenail wrote: I would have thought that's a way of defining psychedelic music that doesn't really fit in a broad-minded discussion. I mean, that's the narrowest most limiting way of thinking of psychedelic music. Jefferson Airplane, Vanilla Fudge etc. - yes, these are 'psychedelic bands' firstly in the sense that they originated in the time when 'psychedelic music' was first being played all over the place. Compared to many of the 70's band I listed above, however, most so-called psychedelic bands pale in regards to how psychedelic they are. What I'm trying to say is that psychedelia didn't end in the 60's, it carried on through the 70's and beyond, partly buried amongst what folks here would think of as progressive rock. It's not a style that must be associated with 60's styles - if that's what you mean it'll be clearer to others if you talk of psych or sike rather than psychedelic music as such. As someone who lives it as he talks it and has experimented a great deal with psychedelics, I'd like to strongly assert that to limit 'real' psychedelic music to just the stuff from the 60's is both inaccurate and silly. I've met folks who think there's some firm barrier to be defeneded, between 'real' 60's psychedelic music and the so-called 'fake gimmicks' of bands who experimented with electronics and studio effects. I just laugh at how uptight such people must be to have to make such barriers, because they exist only in people's heads. What matters is the result, the effect the music has on the listener. Psychedelic means, roughly, mind manifesting, or something that makes the innermost workings of the mind apparent to ourselves. In the sense of 'real psychedelic music' as I see it and experience it, most 60's psych is mere kiddy stuff playing around the edges, whereas much of the stuff that has been swallowed by the genres of prog or so-called 'krautrock' represents the more seriously psychedelic stuff that dives right in there. There are exceptions of course but I'm just basically trying to debunk the notion that psychedelic prog isn't 'real' psychedelic music and that 60's rock is. I used to spend a fair bit of time on discussion forums for psychedelic plants, and people there would occasionally argue about the use of the word psychedelic. Some people felt that it associated their interests with boring vegan hippies and day-glo VW's, or more specifically, that it was a word that belonged only to the 60's and therefore to be remembered in association with the most embarassing elements from that time; others were more aware of the actual roots of the word, which had nothing to do with the cliche of 60's psychedelic culture and music (and everything to do with the exploration of the mind and soul), and as such were happy to continue using it, as after all, it is a very nice word to say and to look at on a page, and most of all, it is the most broadly appropriate term for what it describes. Words that have been suggested to replace it have drawn more arguments than 'psychedelic' [which to be technically correct should actually be spelled 'psychodelic']. Getting away from the point somewhat, but you now know what gets my goat!

You know 100 people 100 explanations of what is psychedelic.I'm not so narrow minded like you may think but it's true that I'm stuck in the 60's and 70's because simply the other stuff-newer stuff leaves me cold and does not offer me any kind of joy listening to the music.And that is my basic and simplest way of thinking.Music is made for enjoying and not for phylosophing in 1000 words meaning of the "what is and what isn't".I leave that to the others and stay with my own explanation.I think everybody had his own explanation--like I think you wanted to say--how they experience the music and that is what matter's.

So I was'n defining what is psychedelic and the word """""real"""""" that you're so stucked on------I'm Slovenian as you can see and a lot of times I can't find the right word and I put the nearest word that I know(I'm not a professor of english).So that """real""" for correction---I ment kind of original---you know---the roots or something like that(and that these bands certaintly are).

So I think you are discussing here what is psychedelic and making barriers.In my own post I really can find that a was defining psychedelic and making barriers.If it's just a word ""real"" that makes that effect I'm sorry then.And than you said "if that's what you mean it'll be clearer to others if you talk of psych rather then psychedelic".I'm not sure if I undersand that sentence but are we drawering and hairsplitting??psych--psychedelic??Well,I never did that.Like the music that I really like the most is defined prog--or even psychedelic here I am.I saw that a lot of guys here like the same music so I'm happy to be here.In my town I really don't have anybody to discuss about this music.

And I'm always telling my own oppinions and definitions--my feelings experiencing the music.

Love you,man.

HAWKWIND

MAN

__________

Lunar 

Oooh Just got back from a weekend away in Prague and its great to see the suggestions still coming.

Harry’s Toenail -  thanks for all those recommendations you appear to be the Master of  the Psychedelic or should I say Psychodelic ….. I’ve not a clue about most of those bands except the obvious ones. Amon Duul II’s Tanz Der lemminge is perhaps my all time favourite of those. Tangerine Dream’s Electronic Meditation is one of TD album’s I never warmed to maybe its just too experimental for my tastes. Talking of experimental I see you suggest the Boredoms, a band I saw at All Tomorrows Parties this year but were a real disappointment.   Anyway I shall be investigating some of those other bands (if only I had time to check them all out)!

Zappa 123 – I adore Tangerine Dream and will be checking out Vanilla Fudge

James Lee- Stereolab isn’t a band I’d describe as psychedelic personally but excellent to chill out to though. Oh I will have to play Margerine Eclipse right now!

Hmmm ..were does just pure electronic or rock experimental start and psychedelic end? ..Bah it’s all too confusing for me! I just want something warm and fuzzy but with an aggressive bite, if that makes sense.. (which I doubt it does)  

Hey I don't believe anyone mentioned Iron Butterfly's  In-A-Gadda-Divida....

Zappa123 - I didn't mean to offend you like this! I think I must have gotten carried away trying to show my point and you took it personally, which I didn't intend. I wasn't trying to say you were narrow-minded as a person, but that I thought the idea of saying that the 70's stuff I had listed wasn't really psychedelic seemed to imply that for you the term was restricted to use for bands from the 60's psychedelic era. I was having a rant against the limiting definitions some people try to put on what is and what isn't psychedelic music, based more on era and particular styles than on the total psychedelic effect. Personally I try to take a very broad view rather than creating boundaries, contrary to what [I think] you think I was trying to say. I don't usually use the psych/psychedelic distinction myself. I had thought that perhaps the stuff you were saying was psychedelic rather than the stuff I'd suggested fitted more in the realm of what many other people prefer to refer to as 'psych'. I don't think much of the distinction but lots of people use it to distinguish 60's psychedelic music from the later more progressive stuff that is psychedelic; I just brought it into the conversation because I thought it might have made things clearer. Personally, I usually lump them all together because there is no real cut-off point between it all. 

Oh well, lots of misinterpretations of each other's posts - but please Zappa123, don't get too upset about anything I say, I mean no harm! I just do tend to get passionate once I start up about something but I don't intentionally snipe at people.

^ Harry, do you realize what your toenail gets up to when you're not looking?

(BTW: Where have I seen that avatar before?   Calling Emdiar! Avatar Appropriation Alert!)

Re: Butthole Surfers - yeah, I've always thought of them as a psychedelic band too! Until the last decade or so, that is... back in my acid-crazed days of youth they were certainly a tripping fave with me, especially 'Hairway to Steven'. I was so happy to discover them, as I started out getting into lots of psychedelic and early heavy rock and the Buttholes were the first 'modern' psychedelic band I'd found who I thought were really psychedelic - and of course early Monster Magnet!

Re: Stereolab, they've definitely done some pretty tripped-out tracks here and there, scattered across their albums.

Re: Boredoms - I hear live these days they're largely a percussive group. The album I listed is not like that, so you might still like it. I've never seen them live but friends who saw them back in their more anarchic heyday have said they were the best live band they ever saw. However they're constantly changing - and I'm not sure if they're still together now or if they're all doing their own things.

Re: In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, on Julian Cope's Head Heritage site someone did a review of this album suggesting you play the title track at 45rpm for a more enjoyable version. Of course it's arguable whether it's better that way but it does sound pretty good! [also, of course, the drum solo doesn't go for as long!]

Peter Rideout - not sure what you mean there! Regarding the avatar though, I just picked it from the list of avatars when I registered, because I play bass. Didn't realise each image was for exclusive use!

Just joking, of course! Welcome! -- any avatar clashes are for you and fellow guitar-avatar user Emdiar to sort out.

(The avatars do make it easier to spot a favourite poster's words, though.)

Italy had only one psychedelic band but was  surely the best in the world:

                                     LE STELLE DI MARIO SCHIFANO

To Harry's toenail:yeah we have to stick together.I took it a little bit personal but the harm wasn't done.

I understand you now and I think nobody here is narrow minded.But the truth is that other people a lot of times actually think so.You know: man you're really stucked in 70's they're saying.I was a little bit carried away because I heard so many times this.And then I thought--oh man even here with the progers I must to hear that too.Heh.

So keep on progin'

Don't understand a word of this-but it's lovely to see a bit of passion about the forum again!

Zappa123 & Harry's Toenail (2 great names for psyka, psycho, erm hippy- trippy bands) why are you so worried about upsetting each other-just go with what you believe

Reed Lover - it's just that looking back at my post I can see how it could have been taken as a personal dissing, and that's not what I'd intended when I typed it. I always prefer to get along unless someone is a total arsehole, and I have seen serious and usually unnecessary flame wars start up on discussion forums out of molehills, and drag everyone down with them. I don't want that! I prefer to hang around in forums where there is some feeling of friendly cameraderie, and so I do what I can to help keep it that way

And yeah, Amon Duul's Phallus Dei is classic stuff! I didn't list it previously because I thought the next 2 were a lot more psychedelic, and I was listing mainly for that qualification. I suppose having said that, I should have listed a few more Ash Ra Tempel albums, like Schwingungen, Seven Up, Join Inn, Starring Rosi, Le Berceau de Cristal [sp.?] and Inventions For Electric Guitar.

Gong has been mentioned previously but may I suggest that their meisterwerk 'Camembert Electric' is best enjoyed while in a nice hot bath with a glass of good wine and a cheese and pickle sandwich

Has anybody mentioned 'An Electric Storm' by White Noise yet?

lomboklombok wrote: Petra wrote:   Hmmm ..were does just pure electronic or rock experimental start and psychedelic end? ..Bah it’s all too confusing for me! I just want something warm and fuzzy but with an aggressive bite, if that makes sense.. (which I doubt it does)   Hi Petra, interesting suggestions till now! My recommadation for you: Achim Reichel - Die grüne Reise. An amazing heavy prog/psych album from 1971. Maybe hard to get outside Germany ? That brings me to another question. Where do you prog lovers get you stuff ??? Maybe an interesting new thread... All the best lomboklombok

Thanks ...I've just looked around the net for Achim Reichel i think it is going to be a challenge to find some. I quite often look on Soulseek a get a taster and talk to the people in there for suggestions. Record fairs are an exellent way to get rare/old albums, all the large towns in the UK have them about once a month. If the guys from those fairs can't get you something then you are in trouble!

Yep, White Noise's 'Electric Storm' was mentioned, and a great album it is too! The 2nd White Noise album is pretty tripped out but has lots of cheesy moments too, which might dilute its value for some... I like it, though. The 3rd one has its moments, too.

Not sure if I mentioned the first 2 Clearlight albums, 'Symphony' and 'Forever Blowing Bubbles'... the first features musicians from Gong and Lard Free! The Clearlight-related Delired Chamaeleon Family album is pretty cool too.

Re: where do we get our stuff? I scour record shops whenever I can, but in Australia it's pretty hard to find much of the rarer and obscure stuff [unless you're lucky, or you're prepared to part with lots of money]. Even Australian prog is mostly pretty rare here on vinyl, with the exception of Sebastian Hardie and Windchase albums, which are pretty easy to find for a reasonable price [don't like 'em much, myself]. I don't go to record fairs much because I hate that feeling of racing through to find the gold before someone beats you to it. It seems a lot of the best stuff often gets traded between the dealers, anyway, so there's a lot of great stuff at such fairs that the customers never get a chance at. On the rare occasion I get to another country I certainly spend most of my time in record shops - I got my copy of Achim Reichel's 'Die Grune Reise' in Amsterdam for 40 euros. A friend who used to work at a record shop got his hands on a copy of 'Ehrolung' [another example of the customers never seeing the best stuff that comes through - unless you're friends with the staff]. It's a big shame that there are no official CD reissues of any of the classic early Achim Reichel or A.R. & Machines albums. There are bootlegs of all but Echo, but they're pretty hard to find these days. I imagine if I started looking 10 or 15 years ago, it might have been easier!

In the end, though, most of the stuff in my collection I've had to order from overseas, or I've taped rare LP's from friends. Ultima Thule have served very well in much of my purchasing! Record Heaven in Sweden is also pretty good, and I've gotten some hard to find CD's from Doug Larson Imports.

Lomboklombok- A german friend on SoulSeek has Die grune Reise by A.R & Machines and am listening to it now and i like  its surprisingly acoustic in places. But some crazy stuff going on in there too!!!!

Dick - Not sure if their are any specialist CD stores in Prague i never got the chance to look  which is a shame because everything is incredibly cheap there! I was forced to look at all those darn touristy places. heh

Hairy's Toenail- I agree with that you all the dealers at Record Fairs do trade the best stuff before they open but i have a friend that a dealer  too.

Petra wrote: Dick - Not sure if their are any specialist CD stores in Prague i never got the chance to look  which is a shame because everything is incredibly cheap there! I was forced to look at all those darn touristy places. heh

Give us advanced notic of the next trip and you might like to take my shopping list!.

Putting music together for my radio show tomorrow night, I was reminded that a friend lent me the Duke of the Stratosphear's compo - this is post punk band and Swindon's finest (or was that Stackridge), better known as  XTC but in strictly psychedelic mode (as I've lost details of this thread, I can't remember if they have been mentioned here?). Check out the show tomorrow night between 8 and 11pm and you should catch their 25 O'Clock

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