5 stars

Henry Plainview wrote: TGM: Orb wrote: If someone knows why I think CTTE is a 5 star album and Fragile only a 4 star album, they might appreciate it in a new light. I see reviews as an effort to show why you like an album... sometimes that view helps me understand something properly for the first time. A couple of good reviews on big albums have changed my response to said albums. Alternatively, it can just be interesting and useful to look at people's tastes... if I know a guy likes Court and ELP, but isn't incredibly keen on Moonmadness, his more obscure interests might be very interesting to me. But can you really add any new thoughts when it has been reviewed 450 times before?

Probably.
Half those reviews are probably just 'wowza' or 'what can I add to all these great reviews?', and I'm probably the only person who listens to said album exactly like I do, no matter how popular it is.

Giving 5 stars is HIGHLY subjective anyways...

there are a number of things that might be happening, i.e. someone rating his favourite albums only (or mostly)
I can't see anything bad with 5-star rating, and the pop-up message of PA does not keep ME from rating highly as long as I believe this album is ESSENTIAL or I enjoy it to a HUGE degree...
Even if I believe that it is worth of 4.51 stars, I 'll give it a five.

Others believe that nothing is perfect, so they give 4 stars

IT'S ALL ABOUT PERSONAL PERCEPTION

Originally posted by TGM: Orb If someone knows why I think CTTE is a 5 star album and Fragile only a 4 star album, they might appreciate it in a new light.

I'll repeat (seemingly ad nauseum) why I don't mind the 4500th review of CTTE or DSOTM - the reviewer's enthusiasm may bring me back to listening to the album again. We all love Thick as a Brick (or enough of us to rate it consistently in the top 5), but for most, when was the last time you listened to it ? "Er, mm, aaah, well, I'm trying to catch up on my new RPI purchases, then there's the obscure Krautrock album I just discovered adn .........
Get my drift. Let's let the people write. We're here to share a passion. TO propose an opinion on music. The ratings debate goes nowhere, and changes nothing. 'Cause the next "And Then There Were Three" 5 star reviewer will surely believe he has grounds to justify it. Just the same as those who want to give Metallica's "Kill 'Em All" album 5 stars no matter anyone else's opinion on its' progness.
The breaking point is when a Klaatu album is rated a measly 1. And while it has taken several courses of Anger Management to overcome my rage when I see this, my blood pressure usually comes back to just about normal, eh

debrewguy wrote: I'll repeat (seemingly ad nauseum) why I don't mind the 4500th review of CTTE or DSOTM - the reviewer's enthusiasm may bring me back to listening to the album again. We all love Thick as a Brick (or enough of us to rate it consistently in the top 5), but for most, when was the last time you listened to it ? "Er, mm, aaah, well, I'm trying to catch up on my new RPI purchases, then there's the obscure Krautrock album I just discovered adn .........   Hi Claude, not so accurate, being that I have to drive at least 1:30 hours in the morning and 1:00 hour in the evening, plus at least one more hour during the day, I have a 12 CD player (hate MP3) in my car and a lot of time to listen music.   Four slots are always reserved for classical Prog albums, this morning I was listening CttE and then Illusions on a Double Dimple, in the afternoon I listened Foxtrot and Shadow Circus,    Now in my house, I'm checking a couple of new possible additions, so I try to balance new stuff with classic Prog. Get my drift. Let's let the people write. We're here to share a passion. TO propose an opinion on music.   That's what we do, in my case, as Windhawk and Guigo, been adding the last months a lot of new bands, in my case I added some Avant (You all know it's not my cup of tea), also have the clearence to add an Eclectic and Jazz Fusion bands as soon I receive info from their label.   The ratings debate goes nowhere, and changes nothing. 'Cause the next "And Then There Were Three" 5 star reviewer will surely believe he has grounds to justify it. Just the same as those who want to give Metallica's "Kill 'Em All" album 5 stars no matter anyone else's opinion on its' progness.   That's how freedom of opinion works, everybody can say his word, and this is an open site for people to add their opinions, if somebody has the guts to say Love Beach is a magnifiscent album and has arguments to support it, I will applaud him/her, will not agree, but will respect his position and consider positive opinions about a generally considered bad albums or bad opinions about about albums considered masterpieces, are necessary, as long as supported.....This proves we're not robots or fanboys, but a group of people witth their own opinion. The breaking point is when a Klaatu album is rated a measly 1. And while it has taken several courses of Anger Management to overcome my rage when I see this, my blood pressure usually comes back to just about normal, eh   I haven't rated Klaatu, because I would be one of the guys who will qualify them with 1 star, maybe 2 at the most, IMO they have no Prog merit to be included and not even interesting music and much less originality, but that's my opinion.   Iván

debrewguy wrote: DB - Klaatu, along with Ange, are my stalking horses. I insert to show how unflexible and stubborn I am, after I've preached open-mindedness. All in good humour of course.

I've given quite many five-star ratings but I think it's justified and helpful. I'm a bit amused about those who give almost only 5 stars, but maybe they are right, too.

Actually I came here to talk about some other weird thin but didn't find a topic for it. So I say it now. This album
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7903 had avg. of 4.10, but after I gave five stars for it, it decreased down to 3.98 . Sad, somehow; I know that they use weighted system here (factors: collaborators, number of reviews..? and how?), but it's quite stupid this way. At least when it bans MY great stars. Maybe it has antibodies for me.

And still about five stars... actually I don't think any album as a perfect masterpiece.


Edited by progressive - November 27 2008 at 07:46

Like Roni, I find it odd that his review with a 5 star rating would drop the overall rating of Myrornas Krig (his is the latest review).  Very good album, incidentally.  I know I've seen this happen before, and don't know why the algorithm would do this (but it was a problem that was noted, as I recall, when the algorithm was adopted).

progressive wrote: I've given quite many five-star ratings but I think it's justified and helpful. I'm a bit amused about those who give almost only 5 stars, but maybe they are right, too. Actually I came here to talk about some other weird thin but didn't find a topic for it. So I say it now. This album http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7903 had avg. of 4.10, but after I gave five stars for it, it decreased down to 3.98 . Sad, somehow; I know that they use weighted system here (factors: collaborators, number of reviews..? and how?), but it's quite stupid this way. At least when it bans MY great stars. Maybe it has antibodies for me. And still about five stars... actually I don't think any album as a perfect masterpiece.

Edited by Dean - November 28 2008 at 12:38

Dean wrote: The only way I can get a 4.10 rating on 7 votes is to 'promote' one of the 5x3 ratings to PR status.