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 Posted: November 02 2008 at 14:54 |
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Stockhausen was a genius in every right. But John Cage... he was plainly just a nutter. A 639-year-long song? Come on man, even prog hasn't pushed the boundry to years. Yet. 
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Yes, quite interesting to book a place for the next time the next note will be played, three years in advance, with prices costing from 1000 to 4000 Euros. And then, at the right time, you make a big event out of it, listen to that note, express your thoughts about how it sounded, and go back home. I myself would rather do the 4'33'' stunt, see how my audience would react. 
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Posted: November 02 2008 at 15:20 |
Ricochet wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
Stockhausen was a genius in every right. But John Cage... he was plainly just a nutter. A 639-year-long song? Come on man, even prog hasn't pushed the boundry to years. Yet.
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Yes, quite interesting to book a place for the next time the next note will be played, three years in advance, with prices costing from 1000 to 4000 Euros. And then, at the right time, you make a big event out of it, listen to that note, express your thoughts about how it sounded, and go back home.
I myself would rather do the 4'33'' stunt, see how my audience would react.
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Probably stare in bewilderment. The Belgians would love it though I don't appreciate your signature by the way  I would care greatly. Besides, Opeth cannot be killed
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 02 2008 at 15:34 |
kibble_alex wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
Stockhausen was a genius in every right. But John Cage... he was plainly just a nutter. A 639-year-long song? Come on man, even prog hasn't pushed the boundry to years. Yet.
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Yes, quite interesting to book a place for the next time the next note will be played, three years in advance, with prices costing from 1000 to 4000 Euros. And then, at the right time, you make a big event out of it, listen to that note, express your thoughts about how it sounded, and go back home.
I myself would rather do the 4'33'' stunt, see how my audience would react.
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Probably stare in bewilderment. The Belgians would love it though
I don't appreciate your signature by the way I would care greatly. Besides, Opeth cannot be killed
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Oh, reading more carefully, I have to close and open the lid of the piano, in order to mark the start and ending of movements.. Now that's gonna cost double the honorary.  Apparently, Opeth can be killed. Just have a look at "Pa Prog Bands Elimination Game" in Just For Fun. I did kill both bands mentioned in my signature.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: November 02 2008 at 16:00 |
Ricochet wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
Stockhausen was a genius in every right. But John Cage... he was plainly just a nutter. A 639-year-long song? Come on man, even prog hasn't pushed the boundry to years. Yet.
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Yes, quite interesting to book a place for the next time the next note will be played, three years in advance, with prices costing from 1000 to 4000 Euros. And then, at the right time, you make a big event out of it, listen to that note, express your thoughts about how it sounded, and go back home.
I myself would rather do the 4'33'' stunt, see how my audience would react.
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Probably stare in bewilderment. The Belgians would love it though
I don't appreciate your signature by the way I would care greatly. Besides, Opeth cannot be killed
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Oh, reading more carefully, I have to close and open the lid of the piano, in order to mark the start and ending of movements.. Now that's gonna cost double the honorary.
Apparently, Opeth can be killed. Just have a look at "Pa Prog Bands Elimination Game" in Just For Fun. I did kill both bands mentioned in my signature.
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Impossible. They must've faked their deaths and hid somewhere else Perhaps to create even more of an effect you could place your hands on the piano in preparation to play something, but instead hold them there for a good 4.33, then finish by taking them off the piano, closing the lid and bowing. Now THAT is true minimalism
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Posted: November 02 2008 at 16:10 |
kibble_alex wrote:
Perhaps to create even more of an effect you could place your hands on the piano in preparation to play something, but instead hold them there for a good 4.33, then finish by taking them off the piano, closing the lid and bowing. Now THAT is true minimalism
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33 seconds of concentration before starting to play something is always recommended *, it's the 4 minutes that are more difficult. The idea is good, but if I'd make any sound by placing my hands on the piano, it would already be something contrary to what Cage "wrote" (or specified). * and this reminds me of Richter having allegedly counted to 30 before starting to play Liszt's Piano Sonata, or else he would have made a mess out of it.
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Posted: November 02 2008 at 16:19 |
Ah, classical music. Always a refreshing dive when I listen to it. I'm ashamed to say that I don't listen to it enough.
My main knowledge of classical music comes from what I learn on the piano. At the moment, I am working on learning Gershwin's "Prelude III", Manuel de Falla's "Ritual Fire Dance", and Shostakovich's "Polka" from the Golden Age, all of which are more or less classical. I've loved working on the Bach Preludes and inventions, and of course there's always a few standards that most people know on the piano like "Fur Elise" which I don't listen to anymore but occasionally play for the fun of it.
I have been revitalized in listening to classical type music by joining my local symphony orchestra at a community college. There, I play percussion, and I go with two buddies from my high school who play bass and viola. Some of the pieces that I remember most distinctly playing are the "New World Symphony" by Dvorak, "Hoedown" by Aaron Copland, "Rhapsody in Blue" by George Gershwin, and "Jupiter" from the Planets Suite by Holst. Of course, at every concert we perform much more than just a couple of those, but these are the more distinct ones. And whenever I enjoy a particular piece there's usually an occasion where I go home and listen to it online when I can, and it is always enjoyable. I don't really know how many times I've listened to "Rhapsody in Blue" now, and after only knowing about it for 2 or 3 months, I have to say I'm a fan of Gershwin's work (Of course, maybe he's not classical, but I know very little about orchestral and symphonic music classification, so go easy on me if it's the wrong thread).
I hope to build a very good collection of essential classical recordings, but at this point in my life my collection is up to 0 classical CDs or vinyl recordings. I'll have to get more.
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Posted: November 02 2008 at 16:28 |
Ricochet wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
Perhaps to create even more of an effect you could place your hands on the piano in preparation to play something, but instead hold them there for a good 4.33, then finish by taking them off the piano, closing the lid and bowing. Now THAT is true minimalism
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33 seconds of concentration before starting to play something is always recommended*, it's the 4 minutes that are more difficult. The idea is good, but if I'd make any sound by placing my hands on the piano, it would already be something contrary to what Cage "wrote" (or specified).
* and this reminds me of Richter having allegedly counted to 30 before starting to play Liszt's Piano Sonata, or else he would have made a mess out of it.
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Well, Liszt isn't exactly easy, but 30 seconds??? My god, i bet the audience thought he'd forgotten it or something. Speaking of which, do you reckon that's what they thought about 4.33?
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Posted: November 02 2008 at 17:32 |
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About Cage and his 4'33'' minutes of silence.... Could people know something else from him??? "Imaginary Landscape" as an example (one of the first piece of electronic music)? Or the many sonates for prepared piano?
After all, "4'33'' is not about silence, it's about the reaction of the audience.
Back to the topic: Purcell, anyone?
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Posted: November 02 2008 at 19:44 |
Ooooo yes  I love my hardcore Baroque me 
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Posted: November 03 2008 at 01:51 |
CPicard wrote:
About Cage and his 4'33'' minutes of silence.... Could people know something else from him??? "Imaginary Landscape" as an example (one of the first piece of electronic music)? Or the many sonates for prepared piano?
After all, "4'33'' is not about silence, it's about the reaction of the audience.
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I know a bit of Cage's music (especially since we've been asked to include him in prog electronic ). I just went with the 4'33'' based on the original context (which you can read above or, if not, the previous page...)
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Posted: November 03 2008 at 11:59 |
^^^Riccy, you'll be pleased to know that on my way to the Pendies gig yesterday, I visited my favourite classical record shop (well, it wasn't *quite* on the way...  ) and I happened upon a 3CD set of Beethoven's 10 violin sonatas, recorded on the late 50's and on the Decca label:
and in 2nd hand, MINT condition..... 
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Posted: November 03 2008 at 12:29 |
fandango wrote:
^^^Riccy, you'll be pleased to know that on my way to the Pendies gig yesterday, I visited my favourite classical record shop (well, it wasn't *quite* on the way...) and I happened upon a 3CD set of Beethoven's 10 violin sonatas, recorded on the late 50's and on the Decca label:
and in 2nd hand, MINT condition.....
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Oh my, that's actually fantastic. I'm not the biggest fan of Beethoven (not German enough for me ), but i've heard so many good excerpts from his violin sonatas.
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Posted: November 03 2008 at 12:34 |
^^not German enough??? how could his 9th Symphony be any more German??... 
anyway, I think his music is great, and I love his VS, esp 9 & 10... |
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Posted: November 03 2008 at 12:59 |
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^^not German enough??? how could his 9th Symphony be any more German??...
anyway, I think his music is great, and I love his VS, esp 9 & 10... |
His 9th is an exception, i'll admit But potentially, he could have been way more German, being from Germany and all...
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Posted: November 03 2008 at 14:04 |
Very nice purchase, Fanny!! 
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Posted: November 03 2008 at 14:07 |
^^I also got a CD of Liszt's tone poems, to play in reception at work. and Schubert's Symphonies Nos 3&4... 
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Posted: November 03 2008 at 14:29 |
kibble_alex wrote:
Stockhausen was a genius in every right. But John Cage... he was plainly just a nutter. A 639-year-long song? Come on man, even prog hasn't pushed the boundry to years. Yet. |
Umm, no. It's his composition that is played there, but the idea to stretch it out that much was not his. He did not even live to approve or disapprove of this move. The original composition was intended to be about 20 minutes long, I think. BTW, his Variations II performed by David Tudor is absolutely incredible. So are the Freeman Etudes.
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Posted: November 04 2008 at 08:43 |
About half a year ago there was a classical thread in which I recommended Holberg Suite by Grieg. I did this because it's a relatively unknown and severely underrated classical work.
Grieg is one of the very greatest in my opinion anyway, Peer Gynt and his Piano Concerto in A say it all, I think.
Other great favourites of mine are Beethoven (5th piano concerto, Fantasy opus 80, Egmont Overture), Tsjaikovsky (Piano concerto, Nutcracker suite, Violin Concerto), Chopin (2 Piano concertos), Schubert (Unfinished Symphony), Smetana (Die Moldau) Vivaldi (Four Seasons), Bruch (Violin concerto), Saint Saens (Introduction et Rondo Capriccioso , Havanaise) Mendelssohn (Violin Concerto) and many more great works.
So conclusion is: I love classical music but most of the time way behind progressive music.
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Posted: November 04 2008 at 14:14 |
progrules wrote:
About half a year ago there was a classical thread in which I recommended Holberg Suite by Grieg. I did this because it's a relatively unknown and severely underrated classical work.
Grieg is one of the very greatest in my opinion anyway, Peer Gynt and his Piano Concerto in A say it all, I think.
Other great favourites of mine are Beethoven (5th piano concerto, Fantasy opus 80, Egmont Overture), Tsjaikovsky (Piano concerto, Nutcracker suite, Violin Concerto), Chopin (2 Piano concertos), Schubert (Unfinished Symphony), Smetana (Die Moldau) Vivaldi (Four Seasons), Bruch (Violin concerto), Saint Saens (Introduction et Rondo Capriccioso , Havanaise) Mendelssohn (Violin Concerto) and many more great works.
So conclusion is: I love classical music but most of the time way behind progressive music. |
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Posted: November 04 2008 at 14:18 |
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Cool thread.
I saw some posts earlier about Beethoven. I am actually a huge fan and have several copies of all nine of his symphonies. Among my favorites is the ninth.
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