The Thrash, Grindcore, Doom, and the likes Thread

keiser willhelm wrote: ^ but doom has evolved to the point where the black sabbath reference is hardly relevant to the current scene. people point the finger back to sabbath now for EVERY form of metal. it gets tiresome, no matter how they influenced the genre, which they certainly did.

Just like Venom and black metal: I hardly see how can one neophyte could do the connection between Venom and bands like Xasthur, Leviathan or Ludicra.

Black Sabbath is definitely proto-doom, and there's no point in arguing about that I think. From what I've heard, the Black Sabbath-ness seems more prevalent in stoner metal than in doom metal these days. The sound is there, but not so much in doom any longer.

As for the recommendations, thanks! I already know Trouble, but I'll check out the others.

I hardly ever call Black Sabbath a Doom Metal band, but when the proper genre of Doom Metal was solidified in the 80s the emulation of Sabbath in sound, lyrics, image, etc was the #1 motivation.  So indeed Sabbath was the launching point for all that, so if someone wants to retroactively assign Sabbath (in their early years) as the first Doom Metal band, I'm not going to scold them, you also have a few other bands like Flower Travellin Band, Bang, Jerusalem and Sir Lord Baltimore that were churning out proto-Doom sounds in the 70s as well, and what about an anomaly like Bedemon? their music was Doom Metal as pure as it gets...but of course they obviously weren't calling themselves anything buy Heavy Metal or Hard Rock,

The very first band to ever use the term Doom Metal was a band called Warlord from the UK - and no its not the NWOBHM band Warlord, but an earlier band that had a short existence in the mid 70s
http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=21018

I like your points CPicard, I agree new genres are rarely created out of intention, its usually the unexpected results that follow in the aftermath that later define a new genre or subgenre


Edited by mithrandir - October 31 2008 at 21:13

Good points,

That's one thing that annoys me about Black Metal and new comer fans of the genre - somewhere around mid 93-95 Black Metal fastly became defined by the Northern/Norwegian style of BM - which for obvious reasons (due to the controversy) got all the attention.  Now, I never thought Norway was the be-all, end-all of BM, yeah there's been some good BM bands to come out of Norway but also plenty more 2nd-tier and just plain crappy bands as well.  I prefer the days when the Black Metal tag was bandied about more liberally and bands as diverse in sound as Venom, Bathory, Hellhammer, Onslaught, Sarcofago, Blasphemy, Abruptum, Mystifier, Master's Hammer, Mortuary Drape, Profanatica, Von, Mayhem and Burzum all fit comfortably under the banner of Black Metal.

HughesJB4 wrote: philippe wrote: stoned doom is the only subgenre of metal I like, in particular old classic stuffs from Black Sabbath, Saint Vitus, Pentagram, Count Raven (...) the new bands coming from this scene don't interest me at all (with the exception of the wounded kings).   Yeah... but, Sabbath is not a Doom band by any stretch of the imagination

thanks to re-listen "master of reality"!

I feel old when I remember trash as being Motorhead, Tank, Raven, and others like that (early Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax). I feel great listening to them though. Overkill, Filth Hounds of Hades, All for One ...
WWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Yesterday i found a band called Monolithic from France, they recorder three "official" albums, but the have only one song, like Sleep's Dopesmoker, any of you know this band?

nothin' wrong with a Venom cover now and then...

ever check out KORPSE....ace Scottish DM band...lotsa Voivod, Rush and King Crimbo vibes,,,,   give RE_VIRGIN a go....it's a treat

I've always liked my metal pretty heavy, and went through a spell in the 80s when I just wanted my metal faster, faster and faster.