The Thrash, Grindcore, Doom, and the likes Thread

I didn't really ever think of the Locust as metal, but they are by far one of the most interesting bands out there. I should really check out if they're going to play around here anytime soon.

stoned doom is the only subgenre of metal I like, in particular old classic stuffs from Black Sabbath, Saint Vitus, Pentagram, Count Raven (...) the new bands coming from this scene don't interest me at all (with the exception of the wounded kings).  

Edited by philippe - October 26 2008 at 23:18

By the Way what think about the drone metal scene? band like Earth and Sun O)))

zafreth wrote: By the Way what think about the drone metal scene? band like Earth and Sun O)))   Today i will listen the first album of Earth

I... will try it.
One day, for sure.
After listening to Lou Reed's "Metal Machine Music" or the stuff of Skullflower.

Yeah, one day... Earth for sure. Sun O? Weeeellll... Maybe if they swipe out the "mystical" imagery.

Philéas wrote: I've recently started checking out some doom/stoner stuff. So far, I have some Electric Wizard, Burning Witch and Earth. Please make me a list of more bands! Preferrably on the doom side of things. Some grindcore recommendations would be appreciated too. I feel a bit lost...

Well, what about the 90's UK Doom? Cathedral, Anathema (early years, I mean), Paradise Lost, My Dying Bride... These bands were the spearhead of doom-metal in the nineties.
Of course, there's also the "lost pionneers" of the seventies, Pentagram; then the early eighties US bands: Saint Vitus, the Obsessed, Trouble.
Not to forget: Candlemass! "You are bewiiiiitched!"

philippe wrote: stoned doom is the only subgenre of metal I like, in particular old classic stuffs from Black Sabbath, Saint Vitus, Pentagram, Count Raven (...) the new bands coming from this scene don't interest me at all (with the exception of the wounded kings).

Yeah... but, Sabbath is not a Doom band by any stretch of the imagination

HughesJB4 wrote: zafreth wrote: By the Way what think about the drone metal scene? band like Earth and Sun O)))   Today i will listen the first album of Earth   Sun O))) I've only heard a tiny bit of Earth, but what I heard I really liked. I don't know the scene that well to be honest, but I like to listen to drone/doom metal to chill out now and then.

Proto-Doom at absolute best, and even that is a stretch.
Yes, they had doomy lyrics, but the musical connection to actual doom metal is so remote that you cannot possibly call Sabbath a doom metal band.
Yes, the downtuned guitars are there, the dark lyrics, but there is a distinct difference between stylistic origins and cultural origins.
The stylistic origins of doom might have begun with Sabbath, sure, but the genre was not clearly defined (the cultural origins) musically and culturally until the early 80s.

Honestly, I don't think bands need to keep being glorified as being "This" or "that" when really they were just what they were.
In the case of Sabbath, it's a heavy metal band. Let's be happy with that.

The fact is that Black Sabbath was the first HEAVY METAL band (I stress on the heaviness of their music). Then, in the 80's, the word "heavy metal" seems to have became a synonym for "hard rock" and its subgenres. So, music-critics and/or musicians felt the urge to categorize each tiny tendency in "heavy metal": hard to say Metallica, Slayer, Mötley Crüe, Bon Jovi or Venom all belong to the same genre.
Just like rabbits in Australia, the subgenres appeared: speed metal,  black metal, thrash metal, doom metal, etc.
Categorizing Black Sabbath as the doom metal band would be correct if ignoring that most doom metal bands began their career a decade after Sab'. There's a ten-years gap between Sab' and Pentagram and their "offspring".
In fact, calling Sab' a "doom metal" band is as relevant as saying the history of the USA began with the history of United Kingdom: there's a link, yet...

^ but doom has evolved to the point where the black sabbath reference is hardly relevant to the current scene. people point the finger back to sabbath now for EVERY form of metal. it gets tiresome, no matter how they influenced the genre, which they certainly did.