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Poll Question: how do you fel about Metallica being added ?
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^ this may be a language problem, but a statement like "They ain't prog, that's for sure" ... sorry, that sounds a bit arrogant. Why are you so sure that you're right and we're wrong?
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Points: 1492 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 15:32
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ this may be a language problem, but a statement like "They ain't prog, that's for sure" ... sorry, that sounds a bit arrogant. Why are you so sure that you're right and we're wrong?
 
Not trying to show who's right or wrong since I'm not the one to judge anyone thoughts or beliefs. Is based upon honesty that I dare to affirm that Metallica, a heavy metal band (filed under that genre ever since I recall), are anything you guys wish, but not based a prog rock basis.
 
I hate to repeat myself but I underline, this is not a matter of narrowminded stupidity, it's a matter of perspective. Period.
 
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Points: 11401 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 15:40
As I see you're online again Cloud - there's some work for you as a collab waiting. Check the progfreak charts; there's a few artists in our part of these that needs checking out and some voting ;-)
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Points: 13244 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 16:52
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 18:04
Originally posted by Cloud Zero Cloud Zero wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

^Wow, I really understand the deep thought and appreciate the constructive criticism you've put into your post - most befitting of a collaborator.
 
Don't get me wrong Cert. It's not only about splattering a flaming comment on the thread to deeply explain our likes or dislikes upon Metallica based on retrospectives, facts or grounds. Think it's all about respectable opinions wheter they're possitive or negative and never offensive.
 
I love the crunch and vicious harshness of Metallica, but to me they don't belong here. I believe there's a place for them within the warps of heavy metal or whatever you wanna call it. They ain't prog, that's for sure.
 
Before performing my part of Collab in the PA, I'm like many other around here, a voice and an opinion. The tag I'm entitled to, means nothing to a personal matter of perspective. And you should now better than that for all the seniority over the PA that back you up. So I rather believe that with your comment you were just being moronic instead of sarcastic! Tongue
 
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Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

I too am glad to see that the site hasn't turned into MetallicaArchives with 40 topics a day on how great Metallica is and so forth. I've realized that this is probably just another passing fad like when everyone wanted to add hundreds of jazz artists here oh so long ago.
 
You see Avant? It was all calculated! Tongue
 
Yes, we have to praise our members' restraint this time. Metallica never got the album of the week unlike all other controversial additions!
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Heh, I never noticed that. I don't even know what to say, aahahaha.
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Points: 1492 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2008 at 11:15
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Cloud Zero Cloud Zero wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

^Wow, I really understand the deep thought and appreciate the constructive criticism you've put into your post - most befitting of a collaborator.
 
Don't get me wrong Cert. It's not only about splattering a flaming comment on the thread to deeply explain our likes or dislikes upon Metallica based on retrospectives, facts or grounds. Think it's all about respectable opinions wheter they're possitive or negative and never offensive.
 
I love the crunch and vicious harshness of Metallica, but to me they don't belong here. I believe there's a place for them within the warps of heavy metal or whatever you wanna call it. They ain't prog, that's for sure.
 
Before performing my part of Collab in the PA, I'm like many other around here, a voice and an opinion. The tag I'm entitled to, means nothing to a personal matter of perspective. And you should now better than that for all the seniority over the PA that back you up. So I rather believe that with your comment you were just being moronic instead of sarcastic! Tongue
 
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I did use a sticky-out tongue to show that it was all in fun.
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Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

I too am glad to see that the site hasn't turned into MetallicaArchives with 40 topics a day on how great Metallica is and so forth. I've realized that this is probably just another passing fad like when everyone wanted to add hundreds of jazz artists here oh so long ago.
 
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Points: 1818 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2008 at 17:38

What about Hendrix?? It's about time for an additionThumbs Up
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I would argue that Hendrix merely responded to the ideas of the time, rather than actively developing the music.
 
Although he was constantly experimenting with new gadgets (sometimes developed specifically for him to play with), sounds and styles, and he was massively influential on a large number of musicians - including many Krautrock and jazz rock musicians, the music he played was essentially heavy blues rock, on the whole - generally blues/rock songs with the occasional extended jam, not progressive compositions.
 
There is nothing inherently progressive about Hendrix's songs, just his techniques - this is the difference between technically "progressive" and Prog. Compare Hendrix with his influential contemporaries - Cream, Pink Floyd, The Moody Blues, The Nice and Art/Spooky Tooth - or progressive Psych bands, such as the West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band or even The Doors. Of these, Cream stand out, because their music was "simply" heavy blues, not Prog.
 
Metallica were both technically progressive and inherently progressive in compositional style - not to mention at least as influential as Hendrix or the Doors. Maybe they've got some way to go before becoming as influential as Pink Floyd, though.
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Points: 7028 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2008 at 03:55
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I guess a simple dismissal of your argument that Hendrix holds less weight here than Metallica in "prog related would be unsavoury"Unhappy. It would be like trying to play a guitar with my teeth......except the latter would be far more satisfyingSmile
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2008 at 15:35
Originally posted by Chris Stacey Chris Stacey wrote:

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I guess a simple dismissal of your argument that Hendrix holds less weight here than Metallica in "prog related would be unsavoury"Unhappy. It would be like trying to play a guitar with my teeth......except the latter would be far more satisfyingSmile
 
Not sure about unsavoury - inaccurate, certainly.
 
Let's not confuse "influential" and "literally progressive" with inherently progressive music.
 
Elvis was influential, and the music of ABBA was literally progressive (compare their first album with their last, and chart the progression in the meantime - there's even classical rock, admittedly a la Ekseption, and 3-movement suites on some of the albums).
 
Unless I'm not listening properly, there just aren't that many Hendrix tracks that are not either pop/rock songs in a heavy blues style, or jam sessions spiced with superb technique - and the only "Prog" it tends to sound like is the rockier moments of Krautrock - or psyche bands like It's a Beautiful Day.
 
The other distinguishing feature of Hendrix's work is that it's mainly in Guitar Hero mode and I think Beck, Clapton and even Chuck Berry can probably lay a few claims in that department too. Sure, Hendrix went more jazz-rock on "Electric Ladyland" - but Sun Ra and Miles had also visited that territory, and Jazz-Rock rarely gets truly Proggy - although I've often wondered about Graham Bond's Organisation.
 
 
So dismiss away - but I can't see the claim for holding any water. It's not me, you understand, but the inherent nature of the music, which is mostly something you just feel - but there's usually something buried in the music that relates one piece of Prog to another, or a piece of nearly-Prog to the bona-fide article.
 
But I really don't care if Hendrix is admitted or not - which is a topic for another thread, IMHO Wink
 
 
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Points: 7826 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2008 at 19:56

No Metallica means no prog metal.

Their early albums had such an influence on prog metal, I don't question at all that they belong here.

DT, and similar bands all love Metallica, so they really deserve a spot in prog related.

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Hey guys, lets add in Cream next to the prog related section because they influenced every 70s band known to man.

Oh, as well, we should add in The Sex Pistols for their influence on the music industry as well.

Depeche Mode anyone?
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Originally posted by Lucent Lucent wrote:

Hey guys, lets add in Cream next to the prog related section because they influenced every 70s band known to man.

Oh, as well, we should add in The Sex Pistols for their influence on the music industry as well.

Depeche Mode anyone?
 
While you try incredibly hsrd to kill us with your amazingly witty cynicism, we have read mundane comments such as yours million times before... usually by members who don't last here for too long... I don't know why this people even bother registering in a place where they don't agree with absolutely anything.....
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Originally posted by Lucent Lucent wrote:

Hey guys, lets add in Cream next to the prog related section because they influenced every 70s band known to man.

Oh, as well, we should add in The Sex Pistols for their influence on the music industry as well.

Depeche Mode anyone?


I'm sure you're being ironic, but I actually support the inclusion of Cream in the Proto-Prog category because for me it "sounds" appropriate.  The other cases I find significantly different.
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Originally posted by Lucent Lucent wrote:

Hey guys, lets add in Cream next to the prog related section because they influenced every 70s band known to man.

Oh, as well, we should add in The Sex Pistols for their influence on the music industry as well.

Depeche Mode anyone?


Ah, you're showing some retrograde thinking. Cream was considered, but ultimately rejected. Although it was a close call. And the tipping point, if I remember was how much their influence balanced out the comparative lack of actual prog content. I don't know about their having influenced every band in the 70s known to man. I am sure some groups never heard of Cream. This  may change given the quality of their musical work. You , unfortunately, will never face that possibility.
The Sex Pistols have their supporters here. And so far, they lavish praise at every chance on the Johnny,Steve,Glen, and Paul. But only PIL has been put up for discussion. As for their influence on the music industry, do you mean the record labels opposition to monetizing P2Ps ? Their preference for top 40 pablum ? The decision by label heads to not go to punk shows in case they get snot on ?
As for Depeche Mode ... you'd be surprised that their name has been mentioned a few times. So far, the compelling arguement has yet to be presented. Mind you, they could be one of those bands whose detractors know the stereotype in detail, but no have no actual knowledge of the whole of the band's music.

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Points: 3596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2009 at 19:07
Has anyone told TM that the discussion about Metallica was extensive, that the big boss of PA actually turn them down quite strongly, then re-considered the decision due to the PA community's continued support for their inclusion, plus the fact that the arguements for became sufficient for him ( & the Admin team) to reverse what was a well considered initial decision.
Of course, could it be TM, that the only opinion that matters to you is your own, and if I read your writerings right, it's the only opinion that you seem to have taken time to consider.
Or you're a pig headed fool, eh ...
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