Metallica ?

Visitor13 wrote: I'll do worse, I'll actually stay in protest.

The T wrote: I won't be "fair" to that person who isn't ready to be "fair" too....

Didn't Socrates suggest that it is better to suffer injustice than to cause injustice?  Cf., the so-called Golden Rule.

In any case, this entire debacle surrounding the inclusion of Metallica in the archives strikes me as somewhat puerile.  Have we not sufficiently argued the case in favor of it?  Perhaps the arguments aren't completely rigorous; still, there's less to be said for the lazy myopia which characterizes the counterarguments.

zafreth wrote: Come on, Winter you find puerile, but you keep answering

As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. 

zafreth wrote: Don't worry Winter so do i   BTW i see that you often quoting with some philosophical background, did you study philosophy?

Not formally--that would spoil it!

What are your suspicions regarding Butthead posting in the forums?

In my defense of the whole "being fair" thing, i responded by insulting Hughes because in his response to my original post, he was being EXTREMELY (i use caps because i dont know how to make italics, make note of that The T) condescending, because he didnt agree with my analysis of the addition, and me calling the ADDITION "obscenely retarded" is not the same thing as calling the one who added it retarded, that being they, in my opinion, made a retarded decision. Hughes didnt need to treat me like a two-year-old because i just started using these forums and he's one of the "experienced members" I do believe this site is about the music, not the number of posts you have made. Im up for discussion, but I wont sit by being treated like i dont know anything because im new to these forums.

Edited by Darken Rahl - October 23 2008 at 18:04

I was surprised with this inclusion when I visited the site and saw them. 3rd option, I think it is a bad inclusion. Just a metal band that I don't see as having enough requisites to be considered prog related.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Darken Rahl wrote: ... and me calling the ADDITION "obscenely retarded" is not the same thing as calling the one who added it retarded, that being they, in my opinion, made a retarded decision. Sorry, but to me that *is* the same thing ... you may not have meant to insult, but I can understand how those who are in favor of the addition would feel insulted by that statement. The question is: Why did you use an already strong and condescending word like "retarded" and then amplified it by adding "obscenely"?

It is ridiculous that i should have to be sensitive to everyone, because no matter what you say, somone wont like it. If someone is going to overreact to something like that by taking it so personally, they deserve it. Im not here to coddle to everyone's touchy feelings, and i shouldnt have to.  I made my opinion clear, and emphasized how much i disagreed with the addition, the people who got all "offended" need to come back into reality and see that not everyone is going to be gentle and sensitive. I insulted no one by saying that, if they dont agree with my thesis, they should make their point, they dont have to talk down to me because they are oversensitive.

Darken Rahl wrote: In my defense of the whole "being fair" thing, i responded by insulting Hughes because in his response to my original post, he was being EXTREMELY (i use caps because i dont know how to make italics, make note of that The T) condescending, because he didnt agree with my analysis of the addition, and me calling the ADDITION "obscenely retarded" is not the same thing as calling the one who added it retarded, that being they, in my opinion, made a retarded decision. Hughes didnt need to treat me like a two-year-old because i just started using these forums and he's one of the "experienced members" I do believe this site is about the music, not the number of posts you have made. Im up for discussion, but I wont sit by being treated like i dont know anything because im new to these forums.

FWIW, it has very little to do with you being a newbie.
I go on many forum boards, some which are ridiculously harsh on newbies if they merely ask the wrong questions, forget to the use search function, and even slightly offend someone.
I managed to always avoid finding myself in a situation where I would be disliked (to some degree or another) by more experienced forum members by making sure I got an idea of their posting style beforehand, lurking around quite a lot, and just not stirring up trouble in the first place.
Trust me, the responses you got to your posts were rather light compared to what can happen to newbies at other forum boards.
I don't claim to know a whole heap about prog... want the truth? I spend more time on guitar forum boards, far more time than I do on Progarchives, because I understand guitar related things much more than I do prog related topics.
I'm still a "knowledge newbie" of sorts around here and probably always will be, as long as my much greater interest in guitar related things remain.

The fact is, you called the collabs arrogant. And anyone here can see you've not set yourself up well for a good reputation around here, and often that first impression can have a lasting impact.
There was nothing in my post that constituted flaming. In your post, in fact, in two of your posts, there was obvious flaming of members of PA.
And we cannot change the fact your "analysis" was completely unsubstantiated ( a stark contrast to that of Cert's argument against your "analysis", which was more than substantiated) either.

Go to the "welcome newbies" section of this forum board, or any other forum board I go on, and you'll find I'm welcoming towards newbies, and that I'm not fact, not some arrogant jerk like you might believe me to be.

I don't care if you don't apologize for insulting, nor do I expect any apology, all I ask in future (and I can imagine many would agree with this), is that your posts do not have such a negative impact on a thread/forum members again.

And as David said, the collabs are doing it for the love of prog and this site.
I'm not a collab, but I certainly didn't get paid to write any of the reviews I did either.


Edited by HughesJB4 - October 24 2008 at 03:29

Darken Rahl wrote: In my defense of the whole "being fair" thing, i responded by insulting Hughes because in his response to my original post, he was being EXTREMELY (i use caps because i dont know how to make italics, make note of that The T) condescending,