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Certif1ed 
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 Posted: October 23 2008 at 05:40 |
Edited by Certif1ed - October 23 2008 at 05:42
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 05:42 |
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exactly
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 05:43 |
But that horse never actually lived in the first place 
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micky
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 05:56 |
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hahah... that is not the last time we'll see that ^ around the forum bookmarked  says the master of beating dead horses...
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 06:04 |
He changed the picture. Damn it
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 07:26 |
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There are two positions here:
I say that they're prog related
Cert says that they're prog metal
Both positions are controversial, and both could be considered to be "dead horses". Since you are so eager to use the word "fact", Mark ... may I remind you that both of these positions are merely opinions? I would say that it's a fact that their music contains progressive trademarks - that can easily be verified by anybody - but whether that makes them "prog-related" or "prog metal" always depends on how we define those words, and there is no world wide authority which we can consult for guidance ...
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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 07:58 |
Different discussion, Mike, and a path that has been gone down too many times to ever reach a resolution.
I'm happy with the words I used, find neither categorisation controversial in the least, and am confident that the horse will never get up without intervention...
Edited by Certif1ed - October 23 2008 at 08:00
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 10:49 |
^ sure, neither do I (find it controversial). 
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 11:07 |
As i see there will be always someone who have no convinced of the Metallica adittion and complaint about that....
Well... i feel pity for them...
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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 11:43 |
There's always someone who will complain about anything - but there's been nothing like the fuss there was when Radiohead was added - it was practically war!
Then when Queen were added, it was almost like Radiohead all over again - and you should have seen the fuss over the Beatles.
Metallica are a completely logical addition - I've yet to see a good argument against them, and I think my recent reviews show clearly how I hear Prog in their music (not just Prog Metal, but PROG) - and there have been no analytical come-backs on any of them, just a couple of random hate posts.
There are also no negative reviews, only positive.
I do not count the ratings - it is quite obvious that the 1 star ratings are from sad people who blanket rated the Metallica albums (particularly the Prog ones) in order to lower their overall ratings.
So, that aside, this seems to be a perfectly acceptable addition, in comparison to the ones I mentioned above, with no reasoned objections - nice!
Edited by Certif1ed - October 23 2008 at 11:47
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The T
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 12:55 |
As it's always been the case with this Metallica addition.... I've read a little of Certf1ed's reviews... and as always (well, almost... don't read his DT reviews  ), they're full of ARGUMENTS.....
On the other hand, we have people calling the addition (and therefore, in a way, the people who added them, hence, me  ) , "obscenely retarded", but when time comes to actually try to reason and give arguments for their opposition, all they can do is..... WRITE IN CAPS.... as if by some mighty power, whatever you write IN CAPS somehow becomes true no matter what.... (I'm using that "technique" in this post as you can see).
In that case:
METALLICA IS IN PROG-RELATED... CAPISCE?!? (IN CASE ENGLISH DOESN'T SUIT YOU)
METALLICA PLAYED PROG-METAL, CAPISCE??? (emulating you, I won't give any arguments.. just CAPS)
SHOW SOME RESPECT TO PEOPLE , CAPISCE???
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Logan
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 13:13 |
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Yes, there's often a lack of respect at these forums when it comes to differences of opinion. Not sure why matters can't be discussed in a more friendly and respectful manner and descend into insult and rancor. We don't have to agree to be respectful, polite and charitable to each other. To be fair to Darken, he raised a similar concern to mine: that it was classic Progressive Rock bands that put the Prog in Prog Metal far more than a progressive metal (but not Prog as a noun) band -- that being Metallica. However, if as has been said, Metallica shares sufficient structural (compositional) traits with Progressive Rock music (has enough similarities), then it certainly should be in Related at the least (or if it has full-blown Prog albums, structurally-speaking, then in Prog Metal, of course).
Edited by Logan - October 23 2008 at 13:16
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Raff
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 13:20 |
Greg:  I think any form of disrespect should not be tolerated. After all, most of us have to put up with c*** like that in our everyday lives, and we have the right to be left in peace on a site we use in order to relax and indulge our passion for music. Being a member of ProgArchives is not mandatory, and if one disagrees with its policies, either they make themselves heard in a polite, respectful, CONSTRUCTIVE way, or they should hit the road as soon as possible. There is absolutely NO excuse for using rude, derogatory language, or for personal attacks.
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Padraic
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 13:21 |
What? Metallica is in the archives? You guys must be FREAKIN' IDIOTS!!!! I will leave this site and NEVER COME BACK!! AHHHHHHHHHHHh!*
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Raff
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 13:24 |
NaturalScience wrote:
What? Metallica is in the archives? You guys must be FREAKIN' IDIOTS!!!! I will leave this site and NEVER COME BACK!! AHHHHHHHHHHHh!*
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The T
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 13:38 |
Yes Greg but Draken could've expressed his views without insults... I won't be "fair" to that person who isn't ready to be "fair" too....
Raffaela, I still can't get over shock and awww... I'm leaving this site, as I don't agree with their addition... 
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Raff
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 13:41 |
Yes! Let's all leave in protest!  (Well, I did a number of times, though I had rather serious reasons for doing so....)
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rushfan4
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 13:55 |
The ladies of PA are causing quite the identity crisis today. It appears that Ghost Rider has just left in protest.
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Logan
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 13:57 |
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Teo: Fair enough, but in terms of content, it would be wrong to imply that no argument had been given by him despite how one feels about the way he expressed his views. One can decry the tone, but that doesn't invalidate the content. Hyperbole and misrepresentation is best avoided all around, methinks.
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Visitor13
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Posted: October 23 2008 at 13:58 |
I'll do worse, I'll actually stay in protest. 
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