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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 13:53
I am a big Rush fan (surprise surprise!), but, as I have stated on numerous occasions, I tend to prefer their more recent output to their Seventies albums. I also agree with Linus's statement that the prog element in their music is not as strong as in the case of many other bands  featured on this website. However, they are a great band with a unique sound, and their live shows are amongst the best I've ever witnessed. Contrarily to what some people seem to believe, I don't think a band or artist has to be 'prog' in order to be good

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Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

Why is Caress of steel so low rated then? We all seem to agree that is very good


Weirdly enough, it seems that album is more loved by non-Rush-fans than the big Rush-fans.


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Points: 13244 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 14:25
And on page two, Vi0LaToR seemed to have vanished from the planet...

Rush is not overrated, for want of a decent definition of that word. There are better bands out there, when it comes to prog, but due to their musicianship, enthousiasm and determination to carry on it will take quite a few aeons before I no longer consider them my number one favourite band of the last 40 years.
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Points: 16111 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 14:30
Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

And on page two, Vi0LaToR seemed to have vanished from the planet...

Rush is not overrated, for want of a decent definition of that word. There are better bands out there, when it comes to prog, but due to their musicianship, enthousiasm and determination to carry on it will take quite a few aeons before I no longer consider them my number one favourite band of the last 40 years.


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Points: 2081 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 14:44

Rush....overrated? I can think of a few bands that fit that category.

Rush certainly do not.

Their 74-81 period was one one of the finest I have ever known for one band.

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maybe the problem is that Rush is a canadian band, and the best music is from UK without doubt, you will NEVER can compare any band from any country with a UK band.
example: King crimson? Genesis? Jethro tull? Pink Floyd? Yes? these are true bands Clap
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Points: 2081 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 15:11
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I would agree with you, the bands you note are exceptional in their own right. Without which we wouldn't be discussing this today. Being from the UK you would probably expect a full Thumbs Up
 
However, I can only speak of my favourite sub-genre PM. The Scandinavian countries alongside Brazil would have a very strong argument against your particular point.
 
 
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Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

maybe the problem is that Rush is a canadian band, and the best music is from UK without doubt, you will NEVER can compare any band from any country with a UK band.
example: King crimson? Genesis? Jethro tull? Pink Floyd? Yes? these are true bands Clap


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Points: 15745 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 15:58
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:


Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

Why is Caress of steel so low rated then? We all seem to agree that is very good
Weirdly enough, it seems that album is more loved by non-Rush-fans than the big Rush-fans.


Certainly. And I agree with Mike saying that this album does not have the qualities that Rush fans love about Rush, but the point is really not there, although if your reviews are purely subjective(not a bad thing, and very common) then it might be the case.
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And for the the thread's question. Yeah I also agree, though I admit they knew/know how to rock in an incredible way *thinking about Caress of Steel*
Not saying they're not Prog, but well, this discussion I had had in another thread some couple of months before, and I really lost the discussion Though if I remember well it was 2112(Rush fans) VS 1(me), and that's not fair!
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Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

maybe the problem is that Rush is a canadian band, and the best music is from UK without doubt, you will NEVER can compare any band from any country with a UK band.
example: King crimson? Genesis? Jethro tull? Pink Floyd? Yes? these are true bands Clap


Yes, indeed, some of the best rock music generally has come from the UK. Rush, however are one of the greatest (prog) rock bands ever, and they happen to come from Canada. Would they have been any better had they come from London..?? I'm not sure what your point is..    
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I agree with this thread a million times over. Rush is VERY overrated in my book.
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Points: 4312 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 16:37
Ahhhh! the overrated syndrome is among us once againConfused
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Points: 1170 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 16:48
As much as I enjoy Rush, I don't see them as a fully prog band. They fit the definition of prog-related better (in both being influenced by prog and, in turn, influencing prog).
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As cool as I think Rush is, I tend to agree with people who think they are overrated as a prog group. They don't use keyboards to create an atmosphere like most prog bands try to do. When they do odd time signatures, they are most often basic 5/4 or 7/8 times, and a lot of the time the odd time signatures are completely unneccesary. And while Geddy and Lifeson are both pretty good at what they do, the only amazing virtuoso in the group is Peart, who is also not as good as most people make them out to be.
 
However, I love listening to the Hemispheres album and they have created a handful of some of my favorite songs. It's just that a lot of their output tends to be more miss than hit for me.

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Points: 79 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 17:27
Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

As cool as I think Rush is, I tend to agree with people who think they are overrated as a prog group. They don't use keyboards to create an atmosphere like most prog bands try to do. When they do odd time signatures, they are most often basic 5/4 or 7/8 times, and a lot of the time the odd time signatures are completely unneccesary. And while Geddy and Lifeson are both pretty good at what they do, the only amazing virtuoso in the group is Peart, who is also not as good as most people make them out to be.
 
However, I love listening to the Hemispheres album and they have created a handful of some of my favorite songs. It's just that a lot of their output tends to be more miss than hit for me.
 
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!, this is exactly the cuestion i was talking about ClapClapClap 
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Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

maybe the problem is that Rush is a canadian band, and the best music is from UK without doubt, you will NEVER can compare any band from any country with a UK band.
example: King crimson? Genesis? Jethro tull? Pink Floyd? Yes? these are true bands Clap


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Points: 3449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2008 at 18:12
I've probably said this before in some other thread.  In the late-70's/early-80's, Rush was routinely played on the local hard rock station, right along with AC/DC, Judas Priest, and others of similar persuasion.  They were certainly not considered a prog band, because that station was absolutely averse to prog! 
 
Now that being said, they certainly eventually upped the ante, and Moving Pictures (first album I bought of theirs) I'd say would be considered prog.
 
Someone around here (sorry to lift your idea), posited that all sufficiently skilled bands (in terms of musical chops/songwriting skills) eventually become proggy.  This is an extremely astute obsvervation.  It's happened with pedestrian rock band after pedestiran rock band.  And I think that theory applies to Rush.  Certain bands just get better and better (I could name hundreds, I suppose).  But think of Rush, Zep, and others that that started off as basic blues-rock bashers and later evolved.
 
So no, Rush is not overrated. 
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Points: 3126 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2008 at 03:58
Well, I don't think Rush are overrated.  A top band IMHO and, no, I am not a fanboy.
 
As to the notion that Rush are no good as they're not from the UK, what a load of nonsense.  We all know how much classic early prog was from the UK.  However, for my money there hasn't been a great deal of top-notch prog from the UK for some time.  There's been much better stuff lately from mainland Europe and the USA for my money, IQ excepted of course. 
 
So there...........................................and I'm from the UK!!
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Originally posted by Vi0LaToR Vi0LaToR wrote:

and the best music is from UK without doubt, you will NEVER can compare any band from any country with a UK band.


I can ignore the Rush bashing, but this statement is ludicrous.
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