Least Proggy Metallica Album

MaidenMadness wrote: metallica have never been, at this moment aren't and in future never will be prog, or prog related. the fact certain prog metal bands drew inspiration from metallica among others doesn't change that fact. syd barrett drew certain inspiration from nursery rhymes and that doesn't make nursery rhymes a'la humpty dumpty or twinkle twinkle little star prog. the fact some of you like to think of metallica as prog because you like them for reasons which are only clear to you doesn't make metallica nor prog nor prog related. i love iron maiden but i am clear about the fact that they don't have any relations with prog whatsoever. metallica have made 4 classic albums but sadly they chose to stop making music after they released ..and justice for all as much as every other metalhead i'd love for metallica to come out of retirement but after 20 years of abstence from music industry i think its safe to assume its not gonna happen.

Alright, I can't keep silent any longer about this. If you don't think Metallica, or even IM at the least, are prog related, then I'd wonder how much you know about the history of metal. To say that Metallica was influential is almost an understatement, because I can't think of many metal or prog metal bands that came after them who weren't in some way or other influenced by Metallica's 80s putout. And to be quite honest, Metallica actually MADE 4 progressive metal albums (I'd be all for having them in prog metal instead of prog related, but I get the feeling I'd get stoned for thinking such heathenous thoughts). Granted I'm not talking about progressive in the sense of 70s prog rock but in "progressive" music that's moving forward and trying something new. Kill 'Em All helped to creat 2 new genres of music, speed and thrash metal, which to me is a pretty big sign of what the band accomplished in that decade. Granted I'm no longer a huge Metallica fan like I once was, but sometimes I wonder if some people are using this as an excuse to simply take a piss on prog metal again, something that sadly happens too often on this site...

MaidenMadness wrote: birdwithteeth11 wrote: Ghost Rider wrote: I'll go with the "Black Album", which is, in my very humble opinion, one of the most boring albums ever recorded (I'm tempted to use the 'O' word too, but I'll refrain from doing so). It is flat, monotonous, and utterly unoriginal.... What a sharp contrast with its predecessor!  What? It is an overrated album in my opinion as well. No need to be afraid to say it. *Awaits mob bearing torches and pitchforks* i think you are mistaken friend. metallica have never released an album called black album or something of the kind. here i'll be more and happy to list to you entire metallica discography 1983 - kill em all 1984 - ride the lightning 1986 - master of puppets 1988 - ..and justice for all that is all. there is no more. however the fact that some faggy ass pop rock/nu metal band called metallica as well has been releasing albums since 1991 has a lot of people confused into thinking its the same band when in fact they are two completely different bands

Well well, I see we are certainly open to new ideas. Inappropriate language doesn't really make it seem that mature either. You are entitled to your opinion of course, and I almost feel the same as you do that Metallica "died" after the 80s so to speak, but you can't simply dismiss a large majority of their discography simply because you don't like it. It exists, but no one's making you listen to it.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: Alright, I can't keep silent any longer about this. If you don't think Metallica, or even IM at the least, are prog related, then I'd wonder how much you know about the history of metal. To say that Metallica was influential is almost an understatement, because I can't think of many metal or prog metal bands that came after them who weren't in some way or other influenced by Metallica's 80s putout. And to be quite honest, Metallica actually MADE 4 progressive metal albums (I'd be all for having them in prog metal instead of prog related, but I get the feeling I'd get stoned for thinking such heathenous thoughts). Granted I'm not talking about progressive in the sense of 70s prog rock but in "progressive" music that's moving forward and trying something new. Kill 'Em All helped to creat 2 new genres of music, speed and thrash metal, which to me is a pretty big sign of what the band accomplished in that decade. Granted I'm no longer a huge Metallica fan like I once was, but sometimes I wonder if some people are using this as an excuse to simply take a piss on prog metal again, something that sadly happens too often on this site...

oh please gimme a break. just what makes metallica prog/prog related? the fact they influenced every single band that came after them. well boyo sorry to break it to you but the first cavemen who decided to create music out of the blue is prog/prog related as well but when you search pa for john doe or jane doe you don't get a single artist.

prog bands drew inspirations from so many different bands of different genres that in fact you could include just about every single band out there as prog/prog related.

the fact that people on pa came up with a genre pa doesn't shape the musical world in a way that there really is a genre named prog related. its strictly a fiction of mind of certain people from pa.

the genre prog related is nothing but a bunch of crap. under same thoughts one could include the likes of diamond head, motorhead, queen or someone from first wave of black metal such as venom or bathory?
why not count early norwegean black metal bands such as mayhem or darkthorne or burzum as prog as well after all didn't they have direct or indirect influece on the likes of opeth?

the tag prog related is nothing but a piece of sh*t.

on your 2nd question metallica in fact died with cliff burton. and justice for all just happened. the rest of it i don't acknowledge it exists because if i did acknowledge its existance i couldn't have any respect whatsoever for the band that created 4 classic albums from kill em all to and justice for all.  its not about me being closed minded about music is them releasing crap albums. i mean black? load? reload? or how about garage inc which is nothing but 2 cds filled with covers? thats even without me even mentioning st anger. sorry but for me metallica after and justice for all doesn't exist. not even songs a la nothing else matters that many see as classics.

yawn.. .used the goddamned search function kid.. and find the 35 page thread that explains why they were added.


do it quick before you find yourself on the bad side of people who aren't as forgiving of stupid posts as these.

prog - RELATED..


read it, live it, understand it

before you make more of a fool of yourself


Edited by micky - October 19 2008 at 13:46

MaidenMadness wrote: prog bands drew inspirations from so many different bands of different genres that in fact you could include just about every single band out there as prog/prog related. the fact that people on pa came up with a genre pa doesn't shape the musical world in a way that there really is a genre named prog related. its strictly a fiction of mind of certain people from pa. the genre prog related is nothing but a bunch of crap. under same thoughts one could include the likes of diamond head, motorhead, queen or someone from first wave of black metal such as venom or bathory? why not count early norwegean black metal bands such as mayhem or darkthorne or burzum as prog as well after all didn't they have direct or indirect influece on the likes of opeth? the tag prog related is nothing but a piece of sh*t.

Not interested in debating Metallica, as I've articulated my opinion in other threads.  However, I will say that although the term "prog related" is a somewhat ambiguous term, it was constructed, so I understand, to be ambiguous, i.e. to allow for future additions (not unlike the US constitution).  Whatever potential hazards the definition allows is checked by the addition process (loosely analogous to peer-review).  In genreal, such categorization has no real meaning, but it can be a useful guide in selecting music.

MaidenMadness wrote: micky wrote: prog - RELATED.. read it, live it, understand it before you make more of a fool of yourself prog related i understand it fully, do you? prog related meaning not prog but somehow linked to prog. once again something thats so undefined one can add whatever he wants to in there cause prog bands in general have many different influences. so what gets added? what majority of people feel should get added. nothing but a popularity contest.

if you  really wanted to know... you would go to THAT thread.. and read just why the site believes they were related.    The admins here make that final determination...   call them spineless fanboys why don't you. 

have a clappie as a parting gift.. I have lots of them..

 for at least spicing up a boring Sunday around the forums.. 


Edited by micky - October 19 2008 at 13:58

MaidenMadness wrote: so what gets added? what majority of people feel should get added. nothing but a popularity contest.

It doesn't work that way:  look into the procedure for addition of artists to the archives.  For what it's worth, the majority objected to the inclusion of Metallica.

MaidenMadness wrote: metallica have never been, at this moment aren't and in future never will be prog, or prog related. the fact certain prog metal bands drew inspiration from metallica among others doesn't change that fact. syd barrett drew certain inspiration from nursery rhymes and that doesn't make nursery rhymes a'la humpty dumpty or twinkle twinkle little star prog. the fact some of you like to think of metallica as prog because you like them for reasons which are only clear to you doesn't make metallica nor prog nor prog related. i love iron maiden but i am clear about the fact that they don't have any relations with prog whatsoever.

Certif1ed wrote: Wrong. The other thread explains why you are wrong here.   The FACT is that they have every relation with Prog Metal - and that's why you're wrong.

why cause master of puppets, ride the lightning and and justice for all have more complex songs than your typical have metal? of course that might not have anything to do with the fact that bay area thrash bands are more leaned towards technicality, as opposed to east coast thrash whose sound was closer to punk and hardcore or german thrash metal who drawn influence from venom?

sorry but if that is the reason why metallica are considered a prog band than one can go easily and add the likes of megadeth, testament, death angel, heathen and the whole lot. personally i think its a weak argument.

other explanations metallica's sound influenced the likes of dt? fair enough but in a same way nwobhm bands such as diamond head should be considered to be at least as equally influential as metallica as metallica's sound was much more influenced by them, than prog metal bands a'la dt's sound was influenced by metallica.

if we want to be honest bands such as virgin steele or savatage have more prog elements in their music than metallica ever had.

i am reading through that thread now and personally i don't see what i consider to be valid case for considering metallica prog related.

now if people here want to hold it against me then so be it. i stick by what i said, imo metallica is neither:

a) prog

nor

b) prog related in any greater extent than the likes of megadeth, venom, celtic frost, bathory, metal church and co are.