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rogerthat 
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 Posted: October 15 2008 at 09:20 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 15 2008 at 09:56 |
^ I should have been more precise. 
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Yorkie X
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Posted: October 15 2008 at 23:07 |
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Strange thing is when Iron Maiden were added I never gave it a second though that band has so much musicality and refined chops they deserve to be added. but Metallica ? that's stretching the friendship a little.
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Posted: October 16 2008 at 02:34 |
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^Not at all - Metallica had more chops than Maiden, especially rhythmically - that "dum-digga-dum-digga" rhythm is distinctive to the point of being over-used in Maiden, but Metallica's music is so much more varied - and many of their compositional techniques are more advanced to the point of being actual Prog, while Maiden simply extended structures.
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 16 2008 at 02:45 |
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I agree. In a nutshell, Iron Maiden's music is more palatable, accessible and tasteful which doesn't necessarily mean they are more progressive. I have no objections to either band being added though. It is easy to see how much influence Iron Maiden would have had on a band like Symphony X.
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: October 16 2008 at 03:02 |
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And there, my people, you have an example of the kind of "arguments" that some people use to reply points made by other people. No wonder some bands are added here, don't you think? |
And there, my people, you have an example of not reading replies in context. I was facetiously responding to post above mine because I honestly couldn't think of anything to say. Lighten the hell up.
Edited by Avantgardehead - October 16 2008 at 03:02
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: October 16 2008 at 11:07 |
Again.... oh no did someone haven't read the last thread about Metallica????
For bad or good Metallica is in PA, and i think this thread is out of place!
BTW i added Live Sh´t and Purge.
Case Closed and please move on!!
Tired of reading the same thing.
We, The opossers of Metallica inclusion have our opportunity and we FAIL so, please SHUT UP, and live the consecuences.
Edited by zafreth - October 16 2008 at 11:15
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: October 16 2008 at 11:09 |
For the Newbies in this thread is ALL your answers:
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Posted: October 16 2008 at 14:28 |
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I'm indifferent.. I don't really see the point of having them here, but they're doing no harm. I guess it's good for consistency's sake, since they added Iron Maiden and others awhile back.
For anyone fuming over their addition, remember they're in prog-RELATED. No one's claiming they're a prog band. |
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Posted: October 16 2008 at 16:00 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
The T wrote:
And there, my people, you have an example of the kind of "arguments" that some people use to reply points made by other people. No wonder some bands are added here, don't you think? |
And there, my people, you have an example of not reading replies in context. I was facetiously responding to post above mine because I honestly couldn't think of anything to say. Lighten the hell up.
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: October 16 2008 at 16:09 |
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There we go!
I just like to have fun with things that bother me because it gives me an outlet and I don't spend my real-life time brooding about it. Yes, I don't think Metallica should be here, but in the end does it matter? No, and I still sleep well at night. As long as I can get my little jabs in here and here, I'm content.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: October 17 2008 at 05:55 |
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For the Newbies in this thread is ALL your answers:
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Ahhh but that thread got closed this one is still very much alive !!! probably due to the fact that we have all been so well behaved about this matter. 
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Dean
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Posted: October 17 2008 at 08:11 |
Yorkie X wrote:
zafreth wrote:
For the Newbies in this thread is ALL your answers:
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Ahhh but that thread got closed this one is still very much alive !!! probably due to the fact that we have all been so well behaved about this matter.
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That thread was closed because there is no point continuing the proposal discussions after the addition. However all are free to discuss it after the event here, but don't expect in-depth replies as most of us have already done that.
The point is, there are 700 posts in that thread discussing the proposal before they were added, which covers many of the points raised here (both for and against) and then some. If you search deeper, you will find several other threads discussing Metallica going back several years with even more pro and con arguments.
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el böthy
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Posted: October 20 2008 at 10:19 |
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Understandable, but not obvious... so so
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Posted: October 20 2008 at 12:44 |
I can't believe that the people responsible for this site would water down the great genre of prog by adding such blatently non-prog bands to the site, even if it's in weasel areas like 'prog related'. To include Metallica on a Progressive Rock website is an insult to prog fans everywhere. 
May I remind eveyone here that all bands are influenced by a great many artists that do not play the same genre as they do? Gawd, some day people are going to think it's alright to add Motorhead because Lemmy was in Hawkwind, or Yngwie Malmsteen because of his unhealthy obsession with Bach.
I know that genres do borrow and merge together, and sometimes it can be hard to pick a specific label, but grow some balls and draw a damn line somewhere, and stick to it! 
...  Please forgive me, I'm having a very bad day... 
Edited by retrorocker - October 20 2008 at 12:46
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 20 2008 at 13:59 |
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^ you do know that this website is not limited to progressive *rock* ... don't you?
I get your point about "cross genre" influences. Still, it just so happens that Metallica were a great inspiration to both the metal and prog parts of the key prog metal bands. Listening to Master of Puppets should make that obvious to anyone who knows the albums of bands like Dream Theater or Symphony X.
BTW: I'm with you on Lemmy/Motorhead ... as far as Malmsteen is concerned, he *could* be added because he really succeeded in fusing metal and classical elements. Iván would no doubt remind me here that in that case it's "Baroque" rather than "Classical", but that's beside the point ... there's as much classical music in his early albums as there is in many prog bands IMO, and the fusion of classical and rock music has always been one of the defining elements of prog.
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Posted: October 20 2008 at 14:17 |
retrorocker wrote:
I can't believe that the people responsible for this site would water down the great genre of prog by adding such blatently non-prog bands to the site, even if it's in weasel areas like 'prog related'. To include Metallica on a Progressive Rock website is an insult to prog fans everywhere.
May I remind eveyone here that all bands are influenced by a great many artists that do not play the same genre as they do? Gawd, some day people are going to think it's alright to add Motorhead because Lemmy was in Hawkwind, or Yngwie Malmsteen because of his unhealthy obsession with Bach.
I know that genres do borrow and merge together, and sometimes it can be hard to pick a specific label, but grow some balls and draw a damn line somewhere, and stick to it!
... Please forgive me, I'm having a very bad day... |
I understand bad days better than most people, being very familiar with them. However, I don't think this is the best way to introduce yourself to a new group of people (virtual or not, we're still a group of human beings, no different from any club or such you might find in 'real' life), and I would advise you to spare your indignation for more serious things. I, for one, have been listening to prog for the past 30 years, but certainly don't feel insulted by the presence of Metallica in our database. As a matter of fact, I was responsible for another very controversial addition to the site, that of Iron Maiden (it was about two years ago). As a long-term collaborator of Prog Archives (even if I am now taking a leave of absence from collaborating, due to personal reasons), I urge you to respect those who work on behalf of the site, and avoid using strong language as you did.
Edited by Ghost Rider - October 20 2008 at 14:18
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Posted: October 20 2008 at 14:52 |
retrorocker wrote:
I can't believe that the people responsible for this site would water down the great genre of prog by adding such blatently non-prog bands to the site, even if it's in weasel areas like 'prog related'.
Weasel areas? Hmm, you really have a way with words. Brilliant!
May I remind eveyone here that all bands are influenced by a great many artists that do not play the same genre as they do? Gawd, some day people are going to think it's alright to add Motorhead because Lemmy was in Hawkwind, or Yngwie Malmsteen because of his unhealthy obsession with Bach.
Yngwie Malmsteen and his "unhealthy obsession with Bach" made him the most progressive guitarist/composer of the early 80s, and perhaps the single most influential player in the world at that time, reviving the musicianship and classical overtones that made prog what it was
I know that genres do borrow and merge together, and sometimes it can be hard to pick a specific label, but grow some balls and draw a damn line somewhere, and stick to it! I have balls, two of them, they hang droopily and itch in the morning
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Posted: October 20 2008 at 15:04 |
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Visitor13
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Posted: October 20 2008 at 15:13 |
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Metallica are a bad inclusion to prog-related, without a shadow of a doubt.
MoP and AJFA belong in prog metal, plain and simple.
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