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LiquidEternity 
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 Posted: October 14 2008 at 00:44 |
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their not from the 70's lol their not prog lol
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KoS
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 00:45 |
 HughesJB4 wrote:
You guys have actually heard Metallica before right?
As in, actually listened to them, rather than just hearing about half
of one of their songs before making up your mind?
Actually sifted through the compositional developments that occur throughout many of their songs?
You've
also heard of a band called Dream Theater right? Whom also happen to
use so many of the same compositional devices as Metallica used
(particularly evident on Images and Words).
It seems everything has to be "prog" in a traditional sense otherwise people get angry.
What
about progressive ideals? The fact the band progressed the whole genre
of metal. Sure enough, it might not be prog in itself, but it was
"progressive" in another sense.
Some people not might get it, fair
enough, but read enough books about the history of metal, study music
like I have and it doesn't seem so ridiculous.
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Hope you don't mind Harry.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Location: Ukraine
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 00:51 |
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^It's cool, doesn't bother me really.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 00:54 |
^^ its mostly the Metallica influences Dream Theater use that I detest and keep Dream Theater from being in my top ten bands .. had they chosen better mentors Dream Theaters skills could have flourished and Labrie's vocals would have actually suited the music believe it or not that man has one of the greatest natural singing voices but no good for singing thrash metal at all , do you honestly believe at age 41 mike portnoy with all his skills and superior abilities in every way to the Metallica really gets off listening to Metallica? its just a means to an end it draws Metallica fans to Dream Theater its a buisness ploy  Mike said a long time ago "Chunk and Balls is where its at" well he was slightly wrong "Originality" is also a key ingredient . Its off the subject a little but this is my own point of view
Edited by Yorkie X - October 14 2008 at 01:15
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 00:58 |
sinkadotentree wrote:
Well i'm a huge metal fan, but Metallica i can live without.Never been a fan. Bring Katatonia back !! |
I'm somewhere along this line. I hate thrash and all other standard forms of metal, but I take a great liking to the more progressive, forward-thinking, sophisticated, etc. metal bands. Never liked Metallica. Completely unlistenable to me. I appreciate their contribution to metal, but I think many of the bands they influenced are much better. My personal distaste for the band aside, I don't think Metallica should be here, but they fit in with a lot of the unecessary bands being added, especially to prog related, these days. Katatonia ought to be back in prog related too if we're going to be doing things like this.
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trackstoni
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 01:16 |
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Why not to include Metallica , they have progressive tendency in the first couples of albums , and the main issue in here is that i believe that votes will be similar at the end , ////// keep on the good work PA , members , nothing is easy !!!
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Tracking Tracks of Rock
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 01:18 |
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huzzah !
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LiquidEternity
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 01:26 |
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Yep, truth be told, as much as the Beatles deserve to be in here, so do Metallica. Neither are prog, but both are halfway over the threshold into these sorts of realms. I'm glad both are here. And besides, if they aren't very progressive, they'll get rated kind of poorly, I hope. Then we'll have a context to compare, say, Dream Theater with more popular metal. I don't know. I'm all for expanding the database, except it means I have a few more reviews on my plate then in the future.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 01:33 |
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New site name >> Music Archives ... "we sold our souls to rockin roll"
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 01:37 |
I don't agree with their addition at all (and I'm not alone), but for productivity's sake, let's all write scathing reviews about their bad albums (the majority of their output, actually)!!! 
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micky
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 01:49 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
I don't agree with their addition at all (and I'm not alone), but for productivity's sake, let's all write scathing reviews about their bad albums (the majority of their output, actually)!!!
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or here's a new concept... since we are prog fans like to pat ourselves on the back for how intelligent and refined our tastes in music are. or you could actually read the reviews of those who supported the addition... and learn something. thus maybe see why they were added here. 
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Anderson III
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 03:22 |
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...And Justice For All isn't progressive?!?!? If you think music has to be straight Zappa to be considered progressive, maybe. I think Metallica writes progressive music!
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"Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo
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micky
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 03:30 |
^ well it's obvious that one thinks that Prog Metal has no place here, they won't see the addition making any sense. When you cut to the bone, that is really what is about. People, not just here, but in mainstream print have acknowledged they did prog metal, and were a HUGE influence on it in later years. Personally I still wonder why they are in related, when a band does albums that are 100% 'fits' here.... just what is 'related' about it?
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Kotro
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 05:22 |
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They definitly belong in Prog-Related. Let's just hope they stay there.
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Bigger on the inside.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 05:45 |
If you don't see their relation to Prog, you haven't listened to their music, only heard it - and the wrong pieces at that.
Simple.
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 05:46 |
Yorkie X wrote:
do you honestly believe at age 41 mike portnoy with all his skills and superior abilities in every way to the Metallica really gets off listening to Metallica?
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Do you really think that liking Thrash metal is an age thing, like only adolescents listen to it? I've been listening to Metallica since I was about 14 years old ... I'm 33 now and I don't plan to stop listening to Thrash any time soon. 
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Desoc
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 05:57 |
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I thought the site owner had decided not to allow this addition. What happened - did he change his mind or was he overruled?
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micky
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 06:03 |
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^ he did what many here do not.... he listened..and had an open mind hahha.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 06:07 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
[QUOTE=Yorkie X]do you honestly believe at age 41 mike portnoy with all his skills and superior abilities in every way to the Metallica really gets off listening to Metallica?
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Yes I do actually. So do a lot of other people. What the hell does the fact he has superior technical skills to Lars Ulrich and his age have anything to do with his enjoyment of Metallica? You post has got to be one of the most inane in this thread so far. Most members of thrash metal's heyday band are now well into their 40s......wow, surprisingly they not only listen to that music, but GOD FORBID IN YOUR MID 40s YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY ENJOY PLAYING THRASH METAL.  I plan to start a metal band one day but I guess if your logic is anything to go by, I should stop enjoying listening to bands whenever I exceed their technical abilities and once I turn 41..well, impending doom. By extension of your logic, pretty much every metal guitarist today should never listen to Jimi Hendrix since Hendrix was pretty sloppy, every metal bass player today should stop listening to Geezer Butler, vocalists stop listening to Ozzy Osbourne. You may get off on everything being uber tight..... meh, I just enjoy the emotion in the music dude.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 06:07 |
Desoc wrote:
I thought the site owner had decided not to allow this addition. What happened - did he change his mind or was he overruled? |
Missed the 36 page discussion eh?
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